Solyndra

[Conan71]

Mitchell specifically said it was more about getting help selling panels to the government rather than help modifying the loan.

There is a whole lot of missing communication that would be very interesting to read.

Now it's become whether it was about help in getting the government to buy their solar panels or modifying the loan.  I believe the initial claim was that Solyndra never came up on those trips to the White House.  But these emails specifically rebuts the claim that Solyndra was never mentioned on all those trips to the WH.  

[Gaspar]

Now it's become whether it was about help in getting the government to buy their solar panels or modifying the loan.  I believe the initial claim was that Solyndra never came up on those trips to the White House.  But these emails specifically rebuts the claim that Solyndra was never mentioned on all those trips to the WH.  

Come on!  When Mitchell and Kaiser said Solyndra, they really meant healthcare reform.  They were jokers and Solyndra was just their little code word for healthcare reform.  It was kind of a blanket term, meaningless really.

[Conan71]

Come on!  When Mitchell and Kaiser said Solyndra, they really meant healthcare reform.  They were jokers and Solyndra was just their little code word for healthcare reform.  It was kind of a blanket term, meaningless really.

Oh, you mean like milk being a euphemism for propofol?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Now it's become whether it was about help in getting the government to buy their solar panels or modifying the loan.  

Makes me wonder where the revisionist version is coming from?  "Now it's become..." - in whose mind, and under whose direction.  Those emails shown here are obviously not about modifying the loan.  It IS about getting help to sell their panels - a pretty normal lobbying effort - similar to what I have tried to do in the past. 

[Conan71]

Makes me wonder where the revisionist version is coming from?  "Now it's become..." - in whose mind, and under whose direction.  Those emails shown here are obviously not about modifying the loan.  It IS about getting help to sell their panels - a pretty normal lobbying effort - similar to what I have tried to do in the past. 

Um, you are aware there was a flat denial that Solyndra was ever mentioned during any of the visits to the White House by Kaiser or his minions, right?

How is that revisionist?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Um, you are aware there was a flat denial that Solyndra was ever mentioned during any of the visits to the White House by Kaiser or his minions, right?

How is that revisionist?

You are aware that the loan guarantee was a done deal (2009) over a year before these emails were written (2010)?  So how could they be used as evidence of trying to influence the loan guarantee?  And if he had tried to influence the loan deal a year after the fact, then I think there is nothing to worry about anyway because he is obviously seriously out of touch and incompetent.  That is the revisionist part - trying to use the "time machine" approach to political attacks.

[Gaspar]

You are aware that the loan guarantee was a done deal (2009) over a year before these emails were written (2010)?  So how could they be used as evidence of trying to influence the loan guarantee?  And if he had tried to influence the loan deal a year after the fact, then I think there is nothing to worry about anyway because he is obviously seriously out of touch and incompetent.  That is the revisionist part - trying to use the "time machine" approach to political attacks.

You are not following the story.  This is for the second loan.

[Conan71]

You are not following the story.  This is for the second loan.

I was about to point that out, but I've decided to resign myself from educating those who are bound and determined to create their own reality in spite of what the facts show.

[Gaspar]

This is not really spinable at this point.

[nathanm]

Now it's become whether it was about help in getting the government to buy their solar panels or modifying the loan.  I believe the initial claim was that Solyndra never came up on those trips to the White House.  But these emails specifically rebuts the claim that Solyndra was never mentioned on all those trips to the WH.  

No, they don't. They rebut something else entirely, that George Kaiser was never involved in conversations about the possibility of him lobbying for Solyndra. On their face, the released emails never state that Kaiser mentioned special treatment for Solyndra to Administration officials. The Republicans only released some of them because they know that if the full record were available to the public the baselessness of their claims would become evident. This is literally the worst they have, and it includes Kaiser specifically stating that he would not be comfortable lobbying on Solyndra's behalf.

Ironically, I placed a lot more weight on the allegations prior to reading the emails.

[Gaspar]

No, they don't. They rebut something else entirely, that George Kaiser was never involved in conversations about the possibility of him lobbying for Solyndra. On their face, the released emails never state that Kaiser mentioned special treatment for Solyndra to Administration officials. The Republicans only released some of them because they know that if the full record were available to the public the baselessness of their claims would become evident. This is literally the worst they have, and it includes Kaiser specifically stating that he would not be comfortable lobbying on Solyndra's behalf.

Ironically, I placed a lot more weight on the allegations prior to reading the emails.

Not following the story again.  

The White house and Kaiser both said that there was no discussion of Solyndra during his visits.  In fact they stated that the visits were to discuss fund raising efforts for his charities.  

As of about an hour ago this conversation is far less important.  The White House has announced that they will comply with the subpoena after all.  http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=BCC31CF8-78FD-4B26-B69E-16100E7BF7A6

So, we will have the whole story, and that does not bode well for Mr. Kaiser.  There is no doubt now that they will establish that Kaiser and Mitchell mislead them on the health of the organization.

[Conan71]

Not following the story again.  

It doesn't matter, they are parsing again, Gassy.

[Gaspar]

It doesn't matter, they are parsing again, Gassy.

Like a Shufflebot loop-tape.

[Conan71]

Like a Shufflebot loop-tape.

Next it will be: "Kaiser got Swiftboated"

[heironymouspasparagus]

Next it will be: "Kaiser got Swiftboated"

No, that was Kerry that got that 'bendover'.

Well, then let's see all the emails.  Until then, it is just another O'Keefe scenario.