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The Robin Hood Tax?

Started by Teatownclown, October 19, 2011, 09:01:06 PM

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nathanm

"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

guido911

Quote from: Teatownclown on October 19, 2011, 09:01:06 PM

OWS Protesters May Demand "Robin Hood" Tax
The magazine that sparked the protests calls for a 1-percent levy on financial transactions.
By Will Oremus | Posted Wednesday, Oct. 19, 2011, at 5:01 PM ET


http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/10/19/robin_hood_tax_adbusters_proposes_demand_for_ows_march_on_oct_29.html

"On October 29, on the eve of the G20 Leaders Summit in France, let's the people of the world rise up and demand that our G20 leaders immediately impose a 1% #ROBINHOOD tax on all financial transactions and currency trades. Let's send them a clear message: We want you to slow down some of that $1.3-trillion easy money that's sloshing around the global casino each day – enough cash to fund every social program and environmental initiative in the world. "

The Teahadists never came up with any logical ideas....

Did Robin Hood randomly take money from rich just because they were rich? I thought Robin Hood took only from the government which it had wrongfully/excessively seized. I don't remember.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

AquaMan

At this point in the movement I don't think you'll find much specificity. People are just pissed and grabbing at whatever seems relevant regardless of the logic. Like presidential candidates.

Unless you meant the Robin Hood in tights....
onward...through the fog

we vs us

Quote from: guido911 on October 20, 2011, 01:09:24 PM
Did Robin Hood randomly take money from rich just because they were rich? I thought Robin Hood took only from the government which it had wrongfully/excessively seized. I don't remember.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood

He had a variety of different relationships (depending on the tale and depending on the era) with "the government," which really meant "the king."  In some tales he was a royal antagonist, in some he supported the absent King Richard against his usurper brother, and mostly he was pitted against the Sherriff of Nottingham.  You can read whatever you want into the tales, I guess, but the tag line "stole from the rich to give to the poor" is the operative phrase here.  

guido911

Quote from: AquaMan on October 20, 2011, 01:16:54 PM
At this point in the movement I don't think you'll find much specificity. People are just pissed and grabbing at whatever seems relevant regardless of the logic. Like presidential candidates.

Unless you meant the Robin Hood in tights....

I did mean Men in Tights.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

guido911

Quote from: we vs us on October 20, 2011, 01:22:14 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood

He had a variety of different relationships (depending on the tale and depending on the era) with "the government," which really meant "the king."  In some tales he was a royal antagonist, in some he supported the absent King Richard against his usurper brother, and mostly he was pitted against the Sherriff of Nottingham.  You can read whatever you want into the tales, I guess, but the tag line "stole from the rich to give to the poor" is the operative phrase here.  

I read the wiki article before I posted what I did. From what I gathered, it was Hood vs. Government, not Hood vs. Random Rich guy. The latter is what hippies want--something for nothing. 
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

AquaMan

I assert they are very much like the hippies from 1968. It wasn't that they wanted something for nothing as much as they wanted things to change and the war to end. I remember Nixon met with groups of young people (who looked like hippies though we all did) and plaintively asked them, "What is it you want?"
onward...through the fog

nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on October 20, 2011, 01:28:57 PM
I read the wiki article before I posted what I did. From what I gathered, it was Hood vs. Government, not Hood vs. Random Rich guy. The latter is what hippies want--something for nothing. 

If you're calling the OWS folks hippies, you're about two weeks behind on the news. Seriously, though, a much larger theme is getting money out of politics. That's one of the few things almost everybody involved agrees on.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Gaspar

Quote from: nathanm on October 20, 2011, 01:50:49 PM
If you're calling the OWS folks hippies, you're about two weeks behind on the news. Seriously, though, a much larger theme is getting money out of politics. That's one of the few things almost everybody involved agrees on.

Are you suggesting campaign finance reform? 
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guido911

Quote from: nathanm on October 20, 2011, 01:50:49 PM
If you're calling the OWS folks hippies, you're about two weeks behind on the news. Seriously, though, a much larger theme is getting money out of politics. That's one of the few things almost everybody involved agrees on.

Here's a couple of folks I would call hippies:





I saw another video where I guy wants the 5th Amendment to be ratified or something.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

nathanm

Quote from: Gaspar on October 20, 2011, 02:10:10 PM
Are you suggesting campaign finance reform? 

Were it Constitutionally possible, yes. Since it's not, a Constitutional amendment to make it possible would be fantastic. I thought this wasn't at all controversial.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Teatownclown

Quote from: guido911 on October 20, 2011, 02:15:31 PM
Here's a couple of folks I would call hippies:


‎"Let me tell you something about hippies. Hippies didn't export anyone's jobs, hippies didn't lie us into an immoral war, hippies didn't conspire to steal anyone's pension funds, hippies didn't order anyone tortured, hippies didn't steal so much that it crashed the economy of the entire world, and hippies don't go on national tv and spew nonsense and propaganda for a very nice living." http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/19/1028029/--OWS:-Let-Me-Tell-You-Wall-Street-Asshats-a-Little-Something-About-Hippies-?via=siderec

HIPPIE = Happy Intelligent People Pursuing Infinite Enlightment

The culture war turns....

Conan71

Quote from: AquaMan on October 20, 2011, 10:09:05 AM
Not likely. These are students, elderly, unsophisticates, free spirits. They probably don't have DL's, Visas or other forms of ID that authorities are increasingly requiring at the insistence of conservatives who are sure the whole country is cheating them out of total, unquestioning, domination. Talk about sad. You don't drive? You don't get to vote. You don't travel? No vote. You don't know how to get an ID or are suspect of your government's motives in requiring one? NO VOTE FOR YOU!

I fail to see the hardship in a little responsibility.  These people would need some sort of ID to register for Social Security, Medicaid, or welfare, or to even cash a check.

Aside from that, do you want people who are not qualified to vote like non-citizens or under-aged kids?
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

guido911

Quote from: Teatownclown on October 20, 2011, 03:35:50 PM
‎"Let me tell you something about hippies. Hippies didn't export anyone's jobs, hippies didn't lie us into an immoral war, hippies didn't conspire to steal anyone's pension funds, hippies didn't order anyone tortured, hippies didn't steal so much that it crashed the economy of the entire world, and hippies don't go on national tv and spew nonsense and propaganda for a very nice living." http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/19/1028029/--OWS:-Let-Me-Tell-You-Wall-Street-Asshats-a-Little-Something-About-Hippies-?via=siderec

HIPPIE = Happy Intelligent People Pursuing Infinite Enlightment

The culture war turns....

Your linking to dailykos, slate, and other leftwing sites with the idea you are to be taken seriously is embarrassing. Also, this dumb story about hippies not lying us into war or authorized torture has NOTHING to do with wall street. That has to do with government, which these hippie morons are incapable of grasping.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Townsend

Quote from: guido911 on October 20, 2011, 03:55:55 PM
Your linking to dailykos, slate, and other leftwing sites with the idea you are to be taken seriously is embarrassing.

Ha.  That is all.