The end of Herman Cain's campaign

[Conan71]

Just an opinion but it might've scared them to think someone who attempted forceful sodomy might win the GOP nom.  So they spoke up after he started getting recognized.

They have things to pick on.  His 999 will never fly.  The IRS won't have it.  His lack of foriegn policy is scary.  That's all I've got at the moment because I doubt he'll get much farther.  He and Perry are Bachmanned.

You can't honestly believe that, can you?  There's such an orchestration to this, it's obvious.  Besides the private investigator dude in Arizona said his computer thingy says Cain is telling the truth.  That should settle it right there.

Secondly, Cain has about as much foreign policy experience as the current President or Reagan did coming into office for that matter.  Let's see under whose watch did the cold war finally start to thaw out?

I guess I'm still stuck on innocent until proven guilty instead of guilty until proven innocent.

[Townsend]

You can't honestly believe that, can you?  There's such an orchestration to this, it's obvious.  Besides the private investigator dude in Arizona said his computer thingy says Cain is telling the truth.  That should settle it right there.

Secondly, Cain has about as much foreign policy experience as the current President or Reagan did coming into office for that matter.  Let's see under whose watch did the cold war finally start to thaw out?

I guess I'm still stuck on innocent until proven guilty instead of guilty until proven innocent.

I've got 5 words against one at the moment.  All I've got is what the people in the box and the writers on the sites tell me.

You really think RWR was responsible for the cold war being over?

He's not in court.  He's running for POTUS.  Let's see his birth certificate.

[Townsend]

From the TW:

[we vs us]

I personally don't care for Coulter either but you and others are choosing to ignore some interesting facts because you don't like the messenger.  I don't like her either and seldom read her columns, but this one was brought to my attention and it was really startling.

It's not that I think the messenger is distasteful (though she is).  I think the messenger lies.  

Coulter's conclusion is the most disgusting.  That Obama has to destroy every other black candidate to make sure he seems the biggest victim of racism.  And that THAT"S the reason he gets votes from liberals.  Because liberals have to vote for the biggest victim.  So yeah, find me someone else to build this case, 'cause Coulter doesn't have the standing to build a coherent argument.

Re: Cain . . . why is it so hard to believe that these 2 . . . sorry, 5 women are telling the truth?  You're going to further and further extremes to insist that he's innocent.  Why?  

[Conan71]

I've got 5 words against one at the moment.  All I've got is what the people in the box and the writers on the sites tell me.

You really think RWR was responsible for the cold war being over?

He's not in court.  He's running for POTUS.  Let's see his birth certificate.

My original point is, a president doesn't have to bring in a wealth of foreign policy experience, current president included.

A brilliant leader brings in people with the right experience or who are well-suited for the job.  Schultz was a very good SOS under RWR.  Other than Eisenhower, who have we had as president in the last century who really had an in-depth knowledge or experience on foreign relations prior to taking office?  How much experience did Clinton bring as governor of Arkansas or Bush as governor of Texas?  Nixon, Johnson, and Truman did bring some pretty good insight as former VP's.

[Townsend]

My original point is, a president doesn't have to bring in a wealth of foreign policy experience, current president included.

A brilliant leader brings in people with the right experience or who are well-suited for the job.  Schultz was a very good SOS under RWR.  Other than Eisenhower, who have we had as president in the last century who really had an in-depth knowledge or experience on foreign relations prior to taking office?  How much experience did Clinton bring as governor of Arkansas or Bush as governor of Texas?  Nixon, Johnson, and Truman did bring some pretty good insight as former VP's.

I'll give on the lack of foreign policy.  The right advisors is a good argument.

Why are tea partiers ok with the sexual misconduct claims with this guy but there are still birthers out there?  Is it because they only want to believe what they want to believe?

[Conan71]

It's not that I think the messenger is distasteful (though she is).  I think the messenger lies.  

Coulter's conclusion is the most disgusting.  That Obama has to destroy every other black candidate to make sure he seems the biggest victim of racism.  And that THAT"S the reason he gets votes from liberals.  Because liberals have to vote for the biggest victim.  So yeah, find me someone else to build this case, 'cause Coulter doesn't have the standing to build a coherent argument.

Re: Cain . . . why is it so hard to believe that these 2 . . . sorry, 5 women are telling the truth?  You're going to further and further extremes to insist that he's innocent.  Why?  

I've left open the possibility this all could have happened, I've stated as much in previous posts.  I've also imparted my knowledge of what sort of hell corporations and even the government were dealing with when the bar was set ridiculously low for harassment claims in the 1990's.  Let's say it's true.  Does it make him less qualified to lead than Bill Clinton was considering what we knew of his proclivities prior to '92 and even moreso in '96?  Anyone care to answer that one with a simple yes or no?

Why do you insist they are telling the truth?  What's your evidence?  

What sort of credibility does Bialek's background suggest versus that of Cain, who has never faced any accusations other than the three years he was at NRA, out of a 45 year career?  Does it strike you as more than odd he became a "predator" for a three year span?

[Conan71]

I'll give on the lack of foreign policy.  The right advisors is a good argument.

Why are tea partiers ok with the sexual misconduct claims with this guy but there are still birthers out there?  Is it because they only want to believe what they want to believe?

Birthers are another issue entirely and I'm not certain they are all tied to the TP.

Honeslty, I don't see the Cain supporters rallying around him as any different than how Obama's supporters rallied around him with the whole birther issue and other issues raised by Hillary's and McCain's slime dredgers.  Politics is a dirty business.  I'm impressed thus far Cain has not wilted under extreme pressure and quit.  I think people have underestimated him.

[Townsend]

Birthers are another issue entirely and I'm not certain they are all tied to the TP.

I disagree.  You're implying that this is all being done to keep him from being president.  The same was done by the birthers.

Birthers: "Where's his Birth Certificate?"  Governor of Hawaii:  "Here it is."  Birthers:  "I don't believe you.  Where's his birth certificate?"

Accusers  "He tried to force me to perform oral sex."  TP:  "We don't believe you."  Second accuser:  "He put his hands up my skirt."  TP:  We don't believe you."  Third accuser: ...

[nathanm]

Anyone care to answer that one with a simple yes or no?

As far as I recall, nobody accused Clinton of forcing himself on anyone.

[Teatownclown]

  I think people have underestimated him.

You're drunk, aren't you?

[dbacks fan]

As far as I recall, nobody accused Clinton of forcing himself on anyone.

That's what I said about five pages back.

[heironymouspasparagus]

You can't honestly believe that, can you?

Secondly, Cain has about as much foreign policy experience as the current President or Reagan did coming into office for that matter.  Let's see under whose watch did the cold war finally start to thaw out?

Your first question hits the nail on the head for the foreign policy part of this.  It is astounding that there are adults in this country that actually believe that tearing down a concrete wall in the middle of Berlin put an end, or even the beginning of an end to the 'cold war'.  And even if the last 20 years or so are completely ignored, just the absolutely obvious evidence of the last one or two or even three years would cause a thinking person to realize that not only has it NOT thawed, nor ended, but has continued through out.  (Can you spell "Putin"??)

What was actually done was to shrink the Soviet Union back to a more 'manageable' size.  Whatever manageable is....  And to put us a long ways down the road to bankruptcy.  Our continuing imperialistic voyeurism in Iraq added another $1.6 trillion nails to that coffin - just by itself.  Not to mention the 1 million civilians killed as 'collateral damage'.  Plus 4,000+ of our kids.

Maybe you are right - it is no longer a 'cold war', it has changed to a hot war.

[heironymouspasparagus]

It's not that I think the messenger is distasteful (though she is).  I think the messenger lies.  

There is know "thinking" she lies - it is a fact.

Not to mention distorts and twists.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Why do you insist they are telling the truth?  What's your evidence?  

Evidence??  What has that got to do with your rantings and ravings about Billy Bob?  When the 3 women mentioned a few days ago have either been proven to be lying - by their own sworn testimony.  Or shown to be actually actively participating - as in writing letters and phone messages?

And yet, the RWRE Urban Myths continue....

And just a few posts back - can't remember where, but recently - there was a comment about the Swift Boaters.  Another case of being PROVEN that not only did they NOT serve with Kerry, but that the actual people who did serve with him - ALL but one - told exactly the opposite story.  Pure lies, distortions, and a massive hatchet job.  And yet, we continue to hear the proliferation of the RWRE Urban Myth about that, too.  The Swift Boaters were, and still are, the original tea baggers.