Should pseudoephedrine be by prescription only in Oklahoma?

[dbacks fan]

Speaking of poor journalism, does anyone know why the East Central coach resigned? Local Fox spent five minutes talking about how sad everyone was that he was stepping down without ever explaining why.

East Central High Football Coach and Athletic Director Travis Hill has resigned.

Earlier this week hill was placed on paid suspension.

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/East-Central-High-Football-Coach-Resigns/mHompZH5-kGqXyeanVtQVg.cspx

http://www.ktul.com/story/16343834/east-central-coach-travis-hill-resigns

[AquaMan]

KTUL wins the journalism reward. Third sentence:
"Hill was suspended earlier this week, although KTUL does not yet have confirmation on what that suspension was for."

Its not that hard really. Five short words. The local FOX people are entertaining (I watch their news more than the others) but they often report like they've never heard the words, Who, What, Why, When and Where.

As far as Pseudo. Make it hard to get. At every step make it hard so they have to keep dancing around. Smart guys who can post in a literate manner can still get their nose medicine without too much difficulty.

[custosnox]

As far as Pseudo. Make it hard to get. At every step make it hard so they have to keep dancing around. Smart guys who can post in a literate manner can still get their nose medicine without too much difficulty.

I haven't been able to get any because my DL had expired and I hadn't been able to get it renewed.  This also means that anyone who doesn't drive and hasn't had a need to get a state ID can't get any (they are out there).  And they wouldn't except any of my other ID's, even the CCW (which is state issued).

[AquaMan]

I haven't been able to get any because my DL had expired and I hadn't been able to get it renewed.  This also means that anyone who doesn't drive and hasn't had a need to get a state ID can't get any (they are out there).  And they wouldn't except any of my other ID's, even the CCW (which is state issued).

If you want or need to drive, you go get a DL. If you want or need to get certain pharmaceuticals or vote you can also obtain some sort of ID. The state sells them to anyone who is willing to divulge certain information, just like DL's. You guys make too big a deal out of this.

Our country's biggest threat is from our relentless drive for release from reality through pharmaceuticals, entertainment and religion. (Wow! Three R's!) The one R with the most threat to us is pharmaceuticals, either illicit or corporate. We can endure the other two.

[custosnox]

If you want or need to drive, you go get a DL. If you want or need to get certain pharmaceuticals or vote you can also obtain some sort of ID. The state sells them to anyone who is willing to divulge certain information, just like DL's. You guys make too big a deal out of this.

Our country's biggest threat is from our relentless drive for release from reality through pharmaceuticals, entertainment and religion. (Wow! Three R's!) The one R with the most threat to us is pharmaceuticals, either illicit or corporate. We can endure the other two.

Not everyone drives, is my point.  Without the need to drive, the need for an ID drops dramatically.  Often is the case where the person no longer drives and doesn't bother to renew their license (or doesn't ever realize it has expired).  In any case, this law has done absolutely nothing in the hinderence of meth labs.  Instead, it has only made it more of a pain in the donkey for those who legitimately are trying to get it.

[patric]

Not everyone drives, is my point.  Without the need to drive, the need for an ID drops dramatically.  Often is the case where the person no longer drives and doesn't bother to renew their license (or doesn't ever realize it has expired).  In any case, this law has done absolutely nothing in the hinderence of meth labs.  Instead, it has only made it more of a pain in the donkey for those who legitimately are trying to get it.

Bingo.
If you actually had a law that does what the re-electable say it would do, it would disrupt the industry that was created to fight the "war on drugs".

As far as Walgreens etc. not accepting expired DLs, you dont stop being you just because your DL is out of date, so that's just more showmanship.

[AquaMan]

Hey, thanks to our paranoid, conspiratorial legislators, the world is changing. Now, some sort of ID is practical. If I didn't drive I would still work hard to get some sort of identification if for no other reason than to allow my next of kin to be notified in case of tragedy. Charitable organizations should work hard to enable those who have difficulty in getting one.

As far as the success of efforts to make it hard to assemble the materials for meth, I thought they had shown some success until the new, simpler process emerged. If so, then its punch and counter punch til they move on or die. Some may find it inconvenient to fight them but the alternative is to do nothing.

How do you do nothing? Isn't that irresponsible as adults to ignore a disease as incurable, unwinnable, an infringement of rights or impolitic? What if it were your teenage daughter who was hit by someone in a mobile lab or was exposed to carcinogens after renting a former lab?

[custosnox]

Hey, thanks to our paranoid, conspiratorial legislators, the world is changing. Now, some sort of ID is practical. If I didn't drive I would still work hard to get some sort of identification if for no other reason than to allow my next of kin to be notified in case of tragedy. Charitable organizations should work hard to enable those who have difficulty in getting one.

As far as the success of efforts to make it hard to assemble the materials for meth, I thought they had shown some success until the new, simpler process emerged. If so, then its punch and counter punch til they move on or die. Some may find it inconvenient to fight them but the alternative is to do nothing.

How do you do nothing? Isn't that irresponsible as adults to ignore a disease as incurable, unwinnable, an infringement of rights or impolitic? What if it were your teenage daughter who was hit by someone in a mobile lab or was exposed to carcinogens after renting a former lab?

It's because of this same kind of reasoning that we get groped and exposed pictures taken of us every time we choose to fly commercially.  We live in a society that is driven by it's fears, and those fears are causing the collective freedoms of the people to be given up one by one.  "It's just a little inconvenience, but it's safer this way" becomes the mantra until we have no rights left, no freedoms, and become prisoners inside our own states of paranoia.  Where, and when, do we draw the line before we loose it all?  I'm sure this all seems like an over reaching of the situation, it's just a small amount, but each step we take places us one step closer. 

[AquaMan]

It's because of this same kind of reasoning that we get groped and exposed pictures taken of us every time we choose to fly commercially.  We live in a society that is driven by it's fears, and those fears are causing the collective freedoms of the people to be given up one by one.  "It's just a little inconvenience, but it's safer this way" becomes the mantra until we have no rights left, no freedoms, and become prisoners inside our own states of paranoia.  Where, and when, do we draw the line before we loose it all?  I'm sure this all seems like an over reaching of the situation, it's just a small amount, but each step we take places us one step closer. 

I understand that argument. It has power. The decision then rests in just how much specific freedom may be abridged without damaging the collective freedom. Another way to look at it is a balancing of the collective safety vs the collective freedoms.

It is the opposite reasoning of not allowing any flexibility in regulating collective freedoms (a society that is driven by its blind enforcement of its freedoms), that allows a guy to carelessly shoot his rifle into a public river and have the resulting miss travel through a nearby kitchen in a residential community. That actually happened and local authorities refused to even talk to the guy because it might possibly abridge his gun rights. Even though he was shooting from his own property it was a public area he was shooting into. His rights trumped the public's right to safety.

Balancing off the inconvenience of easy to buy nasal remedies vs. an effort to inconvenience portable meth labs seems to favor the public.

[custosnox]

I understand that argument. It has power. The decision then rests in just how much specific freedom may be abridged without damaging the collective freedom. Another way to look at it is a balancing of the collective safety vs the collective freedoms.

It is the opposite reasoning of not allowing any flexibility in regulating collective freedoms (a society that is driven by its blind enforcement of its freedoms), that allows a guy to carelessly shoot his rifle into a public river and have the resulting miss travel through a nearby kitchen in a residential community. That actually happened and local authorities refused to even talk to the guy because it might possibly abridge his gun rights. Even though he was shooting from his own property it was a public area he was shooting into. His rights trumped the public's right to safety.

Balancing off the inconvenience of easy to buy nasal remedies vs. an effort to inconvenience portable meth labs seems to favor the public.

It's a matter of when one persons rights step over the boundaries of another persons safety.  However, the illusion of safety is not the same thing.

[Conan71]

Hey, thanks to our paranoid, conspiratorial legislators, the world is changing. Now, some sort of ID is practical. If I didn't drive I would still work hard to get some sort of identification if for no other reason than to allow my next of kin to be notified in case of tragedy. Charitable organizations should work hard to enable those who have difficulty in getting one.

As far as the success of efforts to make it hard to assemble the materials for meth, I thought they had shown some success until the new, simpler process emerged. If so, then its punch and counter punch til they move on or die. Some may find it inconvenient to fight them but the alternative is to do nothing.

How do you do nothing? Isn't that irresponsible as adults to ignore a disease as incurable, unwinnable, an infringement of rights or impolitic? What if it were your teenage daughter who was hit by someone in a mobile lab or was exposed to carcinogens after renting a former lab?

And if I ever get flattened on my bicycle, my wrist ID bracelet is perfectly acceptable

[AquaMan]

And if I ever get flattened on my bicycle, my wrist ID bracelet is perfectly acceptable

True. But does it note whether you are an organ donor? And, can you vote with it?

[custosnox]

True. But does it note whether you are an organ donor? And, can you vote with it?

All I need is my voter's registration card (which is free) to vote, and if I don't have something that says I am an organ donor, and I don't want to be, then problem solved.

[nathanm]

Balancing off the inconvenience of easy to buy nasal remedies vs. an effort to inconvenience portable meth labs seems to favor the public.

I'd rather poor white folk make it here than give yet more money to the Mexican cartels that kidnap and murder people on a frighteningly regular basis. One of SWMBO's friends had an uncle in Mexico who was recently beheaded for having the gall to ask if they wanted ransom for his son or what after his son disappeared and was presumed kidnapped.

Our irrational fears are literally killing innocent people, but do we do anything about it other than escalate? Seems not.

[AquaMan]

What would you do then?