Should pseudoephedrine be by prescription only in Oklahoma?

[AquaMan]

Half a million killed every year directly related to smoking issues.  Been talked about for decades in the press (haven't you heard that?)

Half of auto accident fatalities each year due to alcohol use (down over the years to "only" 15,000 or so).  Again, talked about for decades.  Has shown up in government reports forever.  Personally, I DON'T believe there has been a 60 year long conspiracy to pump the numbers for drunk driving deaths.  It would mean "getting to" every officer that fills out an accident report with breathalyzer or blood test for a driving death, plus all the coroners who report alcohol in the bloodstream if the person causing the wreck died.  Doesn't include non-fatality accidents for same reason, which is a much greater number.  Safe bet that 50% of non-fatal would also be alcohol related with some +/- factor.  Plus all the related 'lost time' issues to the economy - hangover Mondays, early beer bash Fridays (Three two flu).

Can't believe you haven't heard of all that stuff.

As for custosnox comment about no one saying they did something stupid by smoking a few cigarettes - well the stupid is self-evident just by the fact that one smokes.  So, I guess you could say they are permanently mentally impaired...

The case could be made that McDonald's is addictive, I guess - I know that just every once in a while, I just gotta get a Happy Meal!!  But no, that is indeed apples and oranges and saturated fat.

Your real name is Emily Luttila isn't it?  Google her name with SNL.

You said there were many more deaths associated with alcohol related abuse than usage of hard drugs. I am aware of course of alcohol abuse and the ever rising rate of alcoholism. However, neither of us have any idea of the real level of deaths related to hard drug usage in or out of the workplace, because it is difficult to track such things down, it being illegal and all. For instance, I had a friend who was self medicating with some pharma available through prescription, then illicit sources. It made him crazy and destroyed business relationships, then family relationships. He got so depressed from his plight that he shot himself. It was not recorded as a drug related death. Just suicide.

No one knew of his plight other than close family. A lot of people of his stature and sophistication think drugs are a street thing and that they personally are impervious to any legal ramifications, and if caught can usually hire enough lawyer to escape consequences. Employers often offer help but just as often merely fire them and refuse to divulge info to avoid law suits.

He was not a dumb guy who routinely made bad decisions. He was a college grad with his own business and very accomplished. He had a surgery and became addicted and couldn't find help fast enough. What I'm saying is the effects of drug usage are a lot greater than most people are aware.

[DolfanBob]

No one knew of his plight other than close family. A lot of people of his stature and sophistication think drugs are a street thing and that they personally are impervious to any legal ramifications, and if caught can usually hire enough lawyer to escape consequences. Employers often offer help but just as often merely fire them and refuse to divulge info to avoid law suits.

Seems I remember a couple of Coaches name Sutton that fits this statement.

[patric]

Personally, I DON'T believe there has been a 60 year long conspiracy to pump the numbers for drunk driving deaths.

Mostly right I would believe, but deep pockets can make those numbers whatever they want by spreading around grant money with strings attached (a "bounty" if you will).

[heironymouspasparagus]

You should watch supersize me, if you haven't yet.  It really could be argued.  But in any case, my point is, you can start putting all the legal stuff that is bad for us out there, but that doesn't make it the same as something that screws with your ability to think straight.

I wasn't being facetious - I believe it IS addictive.  There is something in our physical makeup that causes us to crave fat/sweets.  Probably from evolving in an environment where those things were relatively scarce and/or "expensive" in terms of acquisition for consumption.

[Gaspar]

I wasn't being facetious - I believe it IS addictive.  There is something in our physical makeup that causes us to crave fat/sweets.  Probably from evolving in an environment where those things were relatively scarce and/or "expensive" in terms of acquisition for consumption.

+1

Every now and then primitive man found a bee hive.  Back then you had to be brave and endure pain or death to get your sugar fix!

[heironymouspasparagus]

And in the southern climes, cane has been chewed on for thousands of years, if not longer.  Corn is pretty sweet, too, even in the field corn varieties - dried and ground up, then cooked into tortillas - that is fairly sweet food.  The reason it is 'savory' to our tastes is the massive sugar/sweet overdose we get every day from so many other sources.

[Townsend]

Tulsa World FB post:

Three people were arrested after police found 26 one-pot methamphetamine labs Tuesday at house in north Tulsa...

Why are we not only allowing liquid capsules of pseudoephedrine?

[AquaMan]

We should be prohibiting 32oz plastic beverage bottles. Or requiring them to be over the counter only.

[Conan71]

Townsend is making a valid point.  But it's almost so obvious, it's no wonder the state and/or FDA is looking right past it.  If liquid pseudo ephedrine is not a good precursor for meth, then there is the solution.  Allergy sufferers can still get the compound which works for them and we help curb meth production.

[Townsend]

Townsend is making a valid point.  But it's almost so obvious, it's no wonder the state and/or FDA is looking right past it.  If liquid pseudo ephedrine is not a good precursor for meth, then there is the solution.  Allergy sufferers can still get the compound which works for them and we help curb meth production.

and my temptations are out the window.  (scratches neck and looks around with paranoia)

[Conan71]

and my temptations are out the window.  (scratches neck and looks around with paranoia)

Got spiders crawling over your forearms and forehead?

[patric]

We should be prohibiting 32oz plastic beverage bottles. Or requiring them to be over the counter only.

I love how every plastic bottle or pill container is now a "laboratory".
Kind of inflates the numbers for politicians to cite.

[AquaMan]

I love how every plastic bottle or pill container is now a "laboratory".
Kind of inflates the numbers for politicians to cite.

Maybe RM could champion that cause. Go Green-End Meth.

Needs a little refinement I guess.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Why are we not only allowing liquid capsules of pseudoephedrine?

Wouldn't the RWRE be crying foul for "unwarranted government intrusion" into the operation of the pharmaceutical industry?

[custosnox]

Now this law has me even more pissed than ever.  I've been feeling like crap for days because of allergies.  Nothing is helping.  It's bad enough that I'm having trouble sleeping, which is effecting me everywhere else.  I go to break down and go to wal greens to get some pseudoephedrine, but you can't even look at the stuff to see if what your getting is what meets your needs, they don't even have the cards out with the info on it that you take to the pharmacy, so you have to hope they give you what you need.  Well, this time they did not.  I take it back because it's not what I was wanting, and even though I had bought it 15 minutes prior, they refuse to give me a refund, say they can't because of the law.  So now not only is my money wasted on a product that I won't use, but I can't even go to another store to get the right stuff because I'm in the "system" now and can't buy any more for I don't know how long.  Yet I bet I can go out and buy all the damn meth I want.  Yep, this law is really frikkin great.