Broken Arrow Casino -

[heironymouspasparagus]

I still submit the BA should have been practicing their indignation with all the cults moving into town way before the casino was even thought of.  There is another new one now - LifeChurchtTV.

[Conan71]

I still submit the BA should have been practicing their indignation with all the cults moving into town way before the casino was even thought of.  There is another new one now - LifeChurchtTV.

LifeChurch is everywhere.  Is this a new denomination or one of those religious franchise deals?

[Townsend]

Per a KJRH sorry:

BROKEN ARROW, Okla. - The city of Broken Arrow is expected to make a statement Tuesday in opposition of the proposed Red Clay Casino.

City officials are expected to continue efforts to have the tribal casino's gaming license denied.

The first city council meeting of 2012 is at 6:30 p.m. Tuesday at BA's City Hall.

Read more: http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/councilors-expected-to-oppose-broken-arrow-casino#ixzz1iPd3RJfi

Is the gaming license state issued?

[heironymouspasparagus]

It must be a franchise opportunity.

From OKC and Norman, it looks like it pays pretty well...


And geezzzzzz....leave the Indians alone.  Isn't 400 years of extermination/genocide enough??  Now 'ya gotta take away their economic opportunity, too??

[DTowner]

Per a KJRH sorry:

Is the gaming license state issued?

No, it is issued by the National Indian Gaming Commission - a federal entity.

A "Compact" is entered into between a tribe and the State of Oklahoma, but is necessary only if the tribe seeks to offer class III games.  I believe the Kialegee Tribal Town has a compact with OK.

[Townsend]

So a cease and desist from the BA council...I don't think that holds much water for this build.

[AquaMan]

I'm glad to see the suburbanites stand up and fight. Whether its because of the violation of their spiritual values or the likely decline of their real property values, they should let the tribe know they are in for a fight.

Its a bad deal for BA no matter how you look at it.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I'm glad to see the suburbanites stand up and fight. Whether its because of the violation of their spiritual values or the likely decline of their real property values, they should let the tribe know they are in for a fight.

Its a bad deal for BA no matter how you look at it.

Satire!  I knew you had it in ya...


But think of all the new jobs it will bring to the area!!!

[AquaMan]

Now who's using satire?

Net effect for BA is not good. Owasso better look out. They probably own land out there too!

[RecycleMichael]

I'm glad to see the suburbanites stand up and fight. Whether its because of the violation of their spiritual values or the likely decline of their real property values, they should let the tribe know they are in for a fight.

Do you have any statistical evidence of decline of real property values? I would like to see them.

I see these little casinos in lots of places. They have them in Iowa and Minnesota and Arizona and Kansas. They have them in many little Oklahoma towns. Based on my non real estate background and just driving by these places, I wouldn't think that property values had gone down and would guess the opposite.

[AquaMan]

Do you have any statistical evidence of decline of real property values? I would like to see them.

I see these little casinos in lots of places. They have them in Iowa and Minnesota and Arizona and Kansas. They have them in many little Oklahoma towns. Based on my non real estate background and just driving by these places, I wouldn't think that property values had gone down and would guess the opposite.

Then for heaven's sake go buy up some real estate over there before people start to realize a neighborhood bar er..casino is a boon to them. My experience cruising real estate listings is that they never tout "near the new casino!" as a selling feature.

I would merely point out the lovely sign in front of the casino on Riverside, the traffic jam along I-44 near Catoosa, and the lovely approach to the "pimple on the hill" casino off 36th Street North as indicators of why people, who moved to get away from the city, might be somewhat concerned. Then I would check the crime rates in those areas before and after construction. Lastly, I would inquire to the city as to whether my tax dollars would be spent to widen and improve access to a facility that isn't on the tax rolls and what accommodations they have made for other city services like fire, police, water and sewage. Then I would note that it isn't that far from a huge soccer/baseball complex that is heavily used by families.

These operations suck disposable dollars out of a community and replace them with all the problems that usually accompany a drinking, gambling, entertainment facility. Really, BA has always been hesitant to even allow mixed drinks in restaurants, multiple story buildings, and other big city amenities. I feel for them.  

Edit: sorry, I always confuse Apache with 36th street north

[Conan71]

Then for heaven's sake go buy up some real estate over there before people start to realize a neighborhood bar er..casino is a boon to them. My experience cruising real estate listings is that they never tout "near the new casino!" as a selling feature.

I would merely point out the lovely sign in front of the casino on Riverside, the traffic jam along I-44 near Catoosa, and the lovely approach to the "pimple on the hill" casino off Apache as indicators of why people, who moved to get away from the city, might be somewhat concerned. Then I would check the crime rates in those areas before and after construction. Lastly, I would inquire to the city as to whether my tax dollars would be spent to widen and improve access to a facility that isn't on the tax rolls and what accommodations they have made for other city services like fire, police, water and sewage. Then I would note that it isn't that far from a huge soccer/baseball complex that is heavily used by families.

These operations suck disposable dollars out of a community and replace them with all the problems that usually accompany a drinking, gambling, entertainment facility. Really, BA has always been hesitant to even allow mixed drinks in restaurants, multiple story buildings, and other big city amenities. I feel for them.  

FMC and I were looking at some different business opportunities out in Colorado a few months ago and I was presented with a "can't lose proposition" on one property out in Western Colorado, about 45 miles from Telluride and only one footstep from Hell, it would seem.  The great benefit was this motel is located about a mile from a new uranium processing facility.  "Just think of all the construction workers there for the next year to a year and a half!"

Then think what happens when the door knobs begin to glow.  That and I don't think there's a huge tourism industry for uranium plants or mines. 

We passed.  I know, total lack of vision.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Now who's using satire?

Net effect for BA is not good. Owasso better look out. They probably own land out there too!

There is some Cherokee housing north of Owasso.

[Townsend]

Really, BA has always been hesitant to even allow mixed drinks in restaurants, multiple story buildings, and other big city amenities. I feel for them.  

When I lived there as a teen it was illegal to dance.  Not sure if that's been changed or not.


That must be why It looks like a full body dry heave every time I step out to show my moves.

[custosnox]

Casinos do so much to enrich the surrounding location.  I mean, come on, just look at what it has done for Catoosa.  All those businesses that used to run down 193rd were just a blight that needed to be removed.