2012 Political Predictions

[nathanm]

You know that you can buy a house in Detroit for 300 Dollars ?
Well except for that little problem of not being able to live in it.

The city will actually give you a house for free if you have the funds to make it habitable and pay the property tax. That's what 50 years of neglect for the school system and bad school policy focusing on punishment gets you. I've been talking with some folks who shared some very inspiring stories about turning whole neighborhoods around simply by taking the abuse and punishment out of elementary school and instead supporting the kids like they should be supported at home, but aren't. Within a few years gang violence was on the wane because the gangs weren't getting new recruits. Freakin' amazing.

One of these days I'm going to see if anybody has done studies on these schools to figure out precisely what it was that made the difference.

[guido911]

Obama about to get "swiftboated"?

"We're looking to [put together] a coalition, to field SEALs and operators that want to come out publicly," executive director of Veterans for a Strong America, Joel Arends, tells BuzzFeed. "I've had a lot of discussions with former SEALs and current SEALs. I've been talking to operators in the community. There is palatable discontent."

Arends, a 35-year old Iraq war veteran who has spent the last six years in conservative activist circles, started the group last fall during the Republican primaries.

The group has already done events with former Republican presidential contenders Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich and Michelle Bachmann. "The Romney campaign didn't return our calls," says Arends, adding, "we'd be more than willing to sit down [with the governor.]"

Previously, Arends worked as a field director for Americans for Prosperity and Veterans for Freedom, two other conservative political organizations.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mhastings/conservative-activist-more-navy-seals-to-attack-o

[Teatownclown]

In case you want to watch the ad:

While I am sure it must irk the members of Seal Team 6, they are not the ones who ordered the raid. Only the Commander In Chief can order such a mission.

It's funny to watch conservatives get their panties in a bunch over this. They sure took the bait as I am sure the White House planned to open this debate.

If they were smart, they would quickly acknowledged POTUS OBAMA made a gutsy call and move on. By over reacting, they have simply kept the story in the news and exposed Romney as a flip-floper (It's not worth spending billions to get one man'. 'I would not violate the sovereignty of our ally', yada, yada, yada).

But good luck if they think criticizing President Obama over the Bin Ladan raid will buy them any votes in November.

[guido911]

Irk the SEAL Team? Why should they be irked?  After all, ordering the SEAL Team into battle is far more dangerous than actually on the ground risking your life...

[Hoss]

Irk the SEAL Team? Why should they be irked?  After all, ordering the SEAL Team into battle is far more dangerous than actually on the ground risking your life...

Here we go.   

[heironymouspasparagus]

Obama about to get "swiftboated"?

All the lies worked before, so why wouldn't it work again?

But of course, the reality IS that he DID give the order to have something done after less than 3  years that Bush didn't give the order to do for 7 years.   Pesky little things like facts just gum up the works so bad....

[guido911]

All the lies worked before, so why wouldn't it work again?

But of course, the reality IS that he DID give the order to have something done after less than 3  years that Bush didn't give the order to do for 7 years.   Pesky little things like facts just gum up the works so bad....

Bush didn't give the order to kill bin Laden? Care to cite to that pesky fact? Because all I remember was the "Wild West/Cowboy" bed wetting over this clip:

Now, you mentioned "lies". Where is the lie in this passage, which I think what the upcoming "swiftboating" will focus?

Mr. Obama also took advantage of a news conference to trumpet his personal role and imply that his Republican opponent, who in 2008 expressed reservations about the wisdom of sending troops into Pakistan, would have allowed bin Laden to live. "I said that I'd go after bin Laden if we had a clear shot at him, and I did"' said Obama. "If there are others who have said one thing and now suggest they'd do something else, then I'd go ahead and let them explain it."

Ryan Zinke, who spent 23 years as a SEAL and led a SEAL Team 6 assault unit, is now a Republican state senator in Montana. He noted, "The decision was a no-brainer. I applaud him for making it, but I would not overly pat myself on the back for making the right call. I think every president would have done the same. He is justified in saying it was his decision but the preparation, the sacrifice – it was a broader team effort. The President and his administration are positioning him as a war president using the SEALs as ammunition. It was predictable."

But it isn't just his political opponents criticizing the president this time. Arianna Huffington, an vocal liberal who heads the left-leaning Huffington Post website, soundly condemned the ad. She told CBS: 'We should celebrate the fact that they did such a great job. It's one thing to have an NBC special from the Situation Room... all that to me is perfectly legitimate, but to turn it into a campaign ad is one of the most despicable things you can do."

One serving SEAL Team member said: "Obama wasn't in the field, at risk, carrying a gun. As president, at every turn, he should be thanking the guys who put their lives on the line to do this. He does so in his official speeches because his speechwriters are smart. But the more he tries to take the credit for it, the more the ground operators are saying, 'Come on, man!' It really didn't matter who was president. At the end of the day, they were going to go."

http://www.offthegridnews.com/2012/05/01/navy-seals-angry-at-obamas-use-of-their-efforts-for-political-gain/

[guido911]

Romney's badassedness finally documented:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romney-was-arrest-for-disorderly-conduct-in-1

[nathanm]

At least he didn't rape and murder a young girl in 1990. 

[heironymouspasparagus]

Bush didn't give the order to kill bin Laden? Care to cite to that pesky fact?


Now, you mentioned "lies". Where is the lie in this passage, which I think what the upcoming "swiftboating" will focus?

Because it didn't happen.  You can't honestly believe that the entire US military, including the SEALS are so incompetent that they couldn't accomplish that mission if so directed?  It took how long to ferret out Saddam Hussein?  Come on guido, you know how "back room dealings" work - you're a lawyer, for crying out loud!  You do remember that pesky little fact of the hundreds of millions of dollars or so that the Bin Laden family has paid to members of the Bush family over the years for consulting?  

Notice the glittering generalities he talks about in that clip.  ...end the war... poster says dead or alive...people looking for him....
Why would he not just go ahead and take that one little extra step and say, "get him".   Vested interest maybe?


Lies - that was the "stock-in-trade" of the Swift Boat veterans.  You remember them...

[guido911]

Come on guido, you know how "back room dealings" work - you're a lawyer, for crying out loud!  You do remember that pesky little fact of the hundreds of millions of dollars or so that the Bin Laden family has paid to members of the Bush family over the years for consulting?  

You had me going there. Good one.

[AquaMan]

Ha! Any president would have done it. But only one did.

You would think by listening to some Seals that leadership is unnecessary. That a good orchestra doesn't need a director. Well, good luck with that.

The swiftboat philosophy has been in concert with the Republican philosophy since Gingrich. Find their strength and turn it into a deficit even if you have to lie and misrepresent to do so. Unfortunately they can't lie fast enough or loud enough because the populace is wising up to the tactic.

[Teatownclown]

Landslide coming....

[heironymouspasparagus]

You had me going there. Good one.

And how hard it was to shut down the Bush family bank in WWII that was financing the Nazi's... took until 1943 for Roosevelt to get it to happen.

You sound skeptical - just like that Iranian leader - Amadinnerjacket - denying the holocaust ever happened...you are probably a denier of the Bush brother who cleaned up in the Savings and Loan collapse, too.

I guess you really are much younger than I thought.  Or a strong believer in and user of blinders.


If you could follow all the contortions of BCCI - well, that wouldn't fit The Script very well - but the connections to Daddy Bush, Manuel Noriega, Bin Ladens, and a cast of thousands... would all make sense to you and give you a sense of history obviously missing, or being ignored.

[Townsend]

Why is she staying?  GoWAN-GIT

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/michele-bachmann-becomes-swiss-citizen-054706406.html

Michele Bachmann becomes a Swiss citizen