trash by existance not valume

[RecycleMichael]

The new program should take all plastic bottles, drink cartons, egg cartons, all types cardboard and all the stuff they currently take.

[Hoss]

The new program should take all plastic bottles, drink cartons, egg cartons, all types cardboard and all the stuff they currently take.

Guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been...my mistake.

Some plastics I note have #5, #7 etc etc and still bear the recycle symbol.  Will that be accepted or is it strictly as you've defined above?

Specifically I noted that some of these plastic party cups have a recycle emblem on them, but are stamped within the emblem with '6', instead of 1 or 2, like the others.

Thanks again.

[RecycleMichael]

Maybe.  All plastic bottles will be accepted, but maybe not all plastic cups and tubs. I will let you know.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Yes. Getting a big new shipment of trees including Crepe Myrtles on Wednesday.

Another side track - from the previous question, I am now under the impression that the trees are also sold to the public.  Is that true?

[RecycleMichael]

e-mail me at recyclemichael@yahoo.com

[heironymouspasparagus]

The part of OKC where I travel the most has the carts and it seems to work well.  Have been 'caught' behind the trucks before and it is very efficient and quick to empty the carts.

BA with the trash bags is very nice.  I have no problem at all with $14.50 of $15.50 or even slightly more.  Still cheaper than the private haulers that some friends have out on east side of BA.  And they will take just about anything, like mattresses, with a little bit of notice.  Refrigerators and freezers will be hauled if you provide a certificate that they have been drained of freon!

BA seems to be starting to lose it's way a little bit, though.  Getting rid of trash bags would be bad thing.  They also want to make Main street all parallel parking.  Stupid.  That's what happens when a bunch of 'furrener's' move into an area and take over - squeezing out the natives.

[carltonplace]

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Two hundred fifty thousand wind blown missiles trash carts, divided by 5 working days (50,000 each day) with a part of them sitting by the curb up to 12 hours a day will not cause a hazard to the citizens and their children?

Front porch should be used  to fill trash carts?  Don't that make a trashy front  porch entrance?

Dang, take a valume and calm your existance. It's only trash collection!

The new plan is much better than the status quo. Tulsans cannot continue to send all of their trash to the landfill, hopefully this change will encourage recycling. If the city recycles, it gets paid. If it goes to the landfill it pays out. Makes sense to me that if you are part of the equation that contributes to the landfill outlay that you pay your fair share.

[DolfanBob]

I am one of the "lives out in East B.A." my trash bill is 38 Dollars every two months. One day a week pick up. Which I have hated the last 8 years of doing it. My service doesn't offer two day's a week. Everyone has a cart. They work great except for a family of six who produce a lot of trash. I have two other standard trash cans that we have to use and our service doesn't seem to mind the extra amount of trash.

The last I lived in B.A. City limits. My water and trash was anywhere from 34 dollars to just under 40 a month. That was with trash bags supplied by the city and twice a week pickup. The two rolls supplied never make it through a one year period. But it is a nice perk from the city.

I say give the carts a chance and I think you will get used to them like I have. They only get as smelly as you allow your children to get them.

[shadows]

Sure. Do you have a current bill?

The cost went up to $15.50 on January 1st.

Negative, I have not seen a current trash bill for last month, but neither have i seen a reliable estimate on the cost of cart use for trash pickup. 
BA furnishes 4 large rolls of trash bags each year.   
If you bag the trash then place it in the cart what is gained by the millions in dollars to be spent on clumsy trash carts?   
Simple economics dictates reasoning that sitting the bags at the curb allows the employee to load them in the truck much faster the positioning the cart to be emptied.
The good-ole-boys in the ivory towers of Tulsa’s city hall are selling the citizens another pig in a poke.
Remember storm water management was sold to the Tulsans to cost under $2.00 per month?       

[RecycleMichael]

No. You are wrong.

I have studied the operating costs of trash collection and picking up the bags from the curb allows the workers to handle about the same number of houses per day as the cart system. They start the day faster, then tire from all the bending over and picking up bags which can weigh 30 pounds or more. The bag collection also dramatically increases back injuries and workmen's comp rates.

The bags also cost the City of Broken Arrow a half a million dollars a year, every year, while the carts last ten years or more. I don't know why you think the carts are clumsy.

And just to keep piling on, you are incoreect in the statement that the stormwater bills were never to be under $2 a month. They started at $2 (and have risen regularly as have all utility bills). The price for trash service in Tulsa has been pretty static for ten years now.

[shadows]

No. You are wrong.

And just to keep piling on, you are incoreect in the statement that the stormwater bills were never to be under $2 a month. They started at $2 (and have risen regularly as have all utility bills). The price for trash service in Tulsa has been pretty static for ten years now.

Good buddy I too have observed both the use on the experimental carts on the north side by the city and use of the bag system in by BA. 
Am also aware that the citizens were sold that building a trash burner for a private company for over 96 million dollars was to cure the disposal of trash while the company sold the burner to another company.
Am also aware that the promotion of the SWF was cited on the Colorado Springs assessment (which I heard was abounded) at the meeting held at the north side school (have tape of meeting)which was said the be under $2.00.
The city has used a part of the north side as an experiment on the use of cart pickup of trash over much of the past decade.  Why don't you cite the total savings from this experiment?
As I have posted before the population of Tulsa is aging fast and their retirement income is based on their working years and their ability to survive now is in jeopardy by the essential need for food.   The price of food has increased as much as 25% as reflected by the increase in sales taxes. 
Increasing the city bond debt to buy the carts will create more burden on them.  Just add it on their water bill?  Lets follow the money.
 

[RecycleMichael]

shadows wins.

I can't discuss things with people who refuse to listen.

Nothing was experimental despite what you thought you heard and carts were not going to be free if we would just follow the money. My proof is that the cart service area of Tulsa is $3 cheaper every month than the rest of the city.

If anyone wants to discuss the new trash and recycling, see a different thread.

[shadows]

I can't discuss things with people who refuse to listen.

Nothing was experimental despite what you thought you heard and carts were not going to be free if we would just follow the money. My proof is that the cart service area of Tulsa is $3 cheaper every month than the rest of the city..

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Sorry but I must apologize if I have offended you but I too am aware of the operating bureaucracy that has gained control of the city and are reducing or depleting the aging citizens retirement assets.   
The TW is exercising their  obligation to look into the actions of the uncountable kingdoms that have been established.
The bond raters have this city under scrutiny in refusing to increase its bond rating,
My sole purpose is to sound the alarm that there are native citizens of Tulsa that are being priced out of their livelihoods.   Those who remain silent because they have already been priced out of the source ofknowing why their bills are increasing.
They are  unable to understand an economy that  has gone wild with greed.  So be it.   

[heironymouspasparagus]

RM, (or anyone who might know)

Would you happen to know the relative amount (volume or weight) of trash burned at the burn plant versus how much goes to landfill?

[RecycleMichael]

Tulsa took 130,000 tons of residential waste to the burn plant last year. The plant had probably double that in commercial waste last year. The plant has three burners each rated at 375 tons per day for a maximum of 410,000 tons per year. The plant has never burned that much, but has had plenty of years where they processed 350,000 tons.

There are many landfills in the Tulsa area. The Waste Management owned landfill out east handles a little less than 300,000 tons from the region and the American Waste landfill out west handles about 200,000 tons per year. The remaining regional landfills handle about 100,000 tons per year combined.