The Pain At The Pump

[okiegirl]

I loved Colbert's tweet yesterday....."If we take away those long rods gas stations use to change their signs, gas prices will never go up again.  YOU'RE WELCOME."

[sauerkraut]

You seem to forget that gas was around $1.25 a gallon when the second President Bush took office.  July of 2008, it was nearly $4.00 a gallon here in Tulsa. 

There again, with Bush's fiscal policy, he may well have been a closet liberal.

Bush  had a congress full of anti-drilling democrats since 2007 too, and you seem to forget that when Obama took the oath of office gasoline was around $1.70 a gallon and it never was that low since, it only gone up & up. We had the highest winter gasoline prices in history under Obama. We need to drill and we need more refineries. BTW I heard the Chevy Volt car costs between $18.00 and $20.00 in electric charges to give the battery a 10 hour charge, that makes the cost per mile not very cheap.

[Hoss]

Bush  had a congress full of anti-drilling democrats since 2007 too, and you seem to forget that when Obama took the oath of office gasoline was around $1.70 a gallon and it never was that low since, it only gone up & up. We had the highest winter gasoline prices in history under Obama. We need to drill and we need more refineries. BTW I heard the Chevy Volt car costs between $18.00 and $20.00 in electric charges to give the battery a 10 hour charge, that makes the cost per mile not very cheap.

You also seem to forget that gas was near 4 a gallon while Dubya was in office.  So what's the excuse there?

[Gaspar]

You also seem to forget that gas was near 4 a gallon while Dubya was in office.  So what's the excuse there?

That was Bush's fault!

[nathanm]

Bush  had a congress full of anti-drilling democrats since 2007 too, and you seem to forget that when Obama took the oath of office gasoline was around $1.70 a gallon and it never was that low since, it only gone up & up. We had the highest winter gasoline prices in history under Obama. We need to drill and we need more refineries. BTW I heard the Chevy Volt car costs between $18.00 and $20.00 in electric charges to give the battery a 10 hour charge, that makes the cost per mile not very cheap.

Who the hell is paying $1.25/kWh for electricity? Are you quoting the price in some remote village in Alaska that runs on a diesel generator with fuel carried overland by mule? Try a tenth of that. In Alaska, using the most pessimistic calculation I can support with evidence.

[Hoss]

Who the hell is paying $1.25/kWh for electricity? Are you quoting the price in some remote village in Alaska that runs on a diesel generator with fuel carried overland by mule? Try a tenth of that. In Alaska, using the most pessimistic calculation I can support with evidence.

Remember the source and chuckle.

[AquaMan]

He's found himself a new website somewhere that is feeding him expired pablum.

[carltonplace]

He's found himself a new website somewhere that is feeding him expired pablum.

Delicious delicious pablum.

[sauerkraut]

You also seem to forget that gas was near 4 a gallon while Dubya was in office.  So what's the excuse there?

That was in the SUMMER peak driving season and shortly after the prices dropped like a rock, Today with Obama the fuel prices go high & stay high. The winter driving off- season is when gas prices are at the lowest point in the year and this year the prices never dropped below $3.00 a gallon as per national average. The highest winter gas prices ever recorded, wait till the 2012 summer comes around. Bush opened up off shore drilling and Obama is shutting down drilling,  BTW,  a major refinery in PA run by Sunoco is due to close this June due to losing a Billion dollars, in the NE they have no pipelines and have to get oil by barge and they have to use a more expensive kind of crude oil that costs $15.00 more a barrel than west Texas crude oil, so the refinery is shutting down and the result will be fuel and heating oil  prices in the NE will go into orbit. The Boston Globe had a article about this.. Sunoco is looking for a buyer for the refinery. I'd hate to see what gas prices will be under a 2nd Obama term...

[DolfanBob]

This was E-mailed to me by one of my ultra conservative buddies.

Cost to operate aChevy Volt
Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors.
For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.
The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity.
I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh.
16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.
$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery.
Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg.
$3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile.
The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000.
So Obama wants us to pay 3 times as much for a car that costs more that 7 time as much to run and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.
REALLY?

[Hoss]

That was in the SUMMER peak driving season and shortly after the prices dropped like a rock, Today with Obama the fuel prices go high & stay high. The winter driving off- season is when gas prices are at the lowest point in the year and this year the prices never dropped below $3.00 a gallon as per national average. The highest winter gas prices ever recorded, wait till the 2012 summer comes around. Bush opened up off shore drilling and Obama is shutting down drilling,  BTW,  a major refinery in PA run by Sunoco is due to close this June due to losing a Billion dollars, in the NE they have no pipelines and have to get oil by barge and they have to use a more expensive kind of crude oil that costs $15.00 more a barrel than west Texas crude oil, so the refinery is shutting down and the result will be fuel and heating oil  prices in the NE will go into orbit. The Boston Globe had a article about this.. Sunoco is looking for a buyer for the refinery. I'd hate to see what gas prices will be under a 2nd Obama term...

I would have hated worse to see what gas prices would have been under McCain and 'Drill baby drill'....

And maybe if you'd stop driving a 1965 International truck...

[Townsend]

That was in the SUMMER peak driving season and shortly after the prices dropped like a rock, Today with Obama the fuel prices go high & stay high. The winter driving off- season is when gas prices are at the lowest point in the year and this year the prices never dropped below $3.00 a gallon as per national average. The highest winter gas prices ever recorded, wait till the 2012 summer comes around. Bush opened up off shore drilling and Obama is shutting down drilling,  BTW,  a major refinery in PA run by Sunoco is due to close this June due to losing a Billion dollars, in the NE they have no pipelines and have to get oil by barge and they have to use a more expensive kind of crude oil that costs $15.00 more a barrel than west Texas crude oil, so the refinery is shutting down and the result will be fuel and heating oil  prices in the NE will go into orbit. The Boston Globe had a article about this.. Sunoco is looking for a buyer for the refinery. I'd hate to see what gas prices will be under a 2nd Obama term...

Cites?

[sauerkraut]

This was E-mailed to me by one of my ultra conservative buddies.

Cost to operate aChevy Volt
Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors.
For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.
The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity.
I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh.
16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.
$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery.
Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg.
$3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile.
The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000.
So Obama wants us to pay 3 times as much for a car that costs more that 7 time as much to run and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.
REALLY?

Yes, that is what I saw. That is how it is. That is why the Chey Volt is a joke & failure. The cost to re-charge the Volt depends on your local Electric rates.

[Townsend]

Yes, that is what I saw. That is how it is. That is why the Chey Volt is a joke & failure. The cost to re-charge the Volt depends on your local Electric rates.

$.07 to $.15 per kwh in Oklahoma.

http://www.okcoop.org/services/rates.aspx

•For bills mailed June through September:
◦Service Availability Charge: $0.50 per day
◦Energy Charge:
■On Peak: $0.15 per kWh
■Off Peak: $0.073 per kWh
On Peak shall be the hours between 3:00 p.m. and 7:00 p.m. Monday through Friday between June 1 and August 31, excluding the 4th of July.

•For bills mailed October through May:
◦Service Availability Charge: $0.50 per day
◦Energy Charge:
■First 1000 kWh: $0.073 per kWh
■Over 1000 kWh: $0.057 per kWh

[Hoss]

$.07 to $.15 per kwh in Oklahoma.

http://www.okcoop.org/services/rates.aspx

Must be all that Nebraska-learnin'....