Will Someone Please Pay for my Rubbers

[Townsend]

Why?

When I was 18 I was going to college and working.  I was insured, it was relatively cheap, and my employer had several plans that I could choose.  Because I was young and single, I opted for the cheapest plan with a $200 deductible.  Looking back, that plan covered far more than my current plan covers and was a fraction of the cost.

The question is not whether it is right or wrong, the question is wether it is wise.

Many students would not get their own coverage.  This means if they get hurt or sick, no coverage.  This means many medical bills would go unpaid or many sick students may not get medical attention until much later into the illness.

I think it's a good idea for the coverage to be available.

[Gaspar]

Amen Gasp. I am with a woman who is all about enabling her children. Her oldest is 23 and still living at home. Hasnt had to fend for himself one bit. He is on his fourth car. Which she bought all of them. He spends every dime he makes (when he works) on fun little things for himself. And her second child is on his first car, which she bought. But this one likes to work and has a high dollar clothes addiction so I dont see him leaving anytime soon either.
Im pretty quick to point out that I moved out at 18 and never went back home. Just doesnt seem to soak in though. It is a totally different time I know but the kids today with their mentality of entitlement is just scary.
Oh and I already know the whole Dr. Phil spiel that it is my fault with the way I raised them. Believe you me I have taken my fair share of blame for what has taken place in my life. I just wish they would too.
The sad fact is if you dont cover them with health insurance. They will still be at your home, just disabled on the couch.

Independence is not a goal to reach, it's one to exceed.  I instill that into my children by involving them in all of the families financial discussions.  They are too young now to understand everything, but the logic they learn through the process is the tool that allows them to build an understanding of what is necessary to be independent, and how to get there.  Over time their demands for toys, candy, and anything else colorful on the shelf at the store strategically positioned 1.5' off the ground is diminishing.  They have their own money, they earn it by helping around the house with chores and other tasks that they are capable of.  When we go to the store now, they weigh the decision to take their money or save it.  9 times out of 10 they opt to save it for a bigger purchase.

My Daughter is 6.  She's in Girl Scouts.  This was the first year for her to sell cookies.  Her troupe set a goal of 100 boxes per girl.  She decided she was going to sell 200.  I asked her why 200, and her response was "100 is just their goal, you know, for the lazy girls."  She's on the right track!

[TheArtist]

Independence is not a goal to reach, it's one to exceed.  I instill that into my children by involving them in all of the families financial discussions.  They are too young now to understand everything, but the logic they learn through the process is the tool that allows them to build an understanding of what is necessary to be independent, and how to get there.  Over time their demands for toys, candy, and anything else colorful on the shelf at the store strategically positioned 1.5' off the ground is diminishing.  They have their own money, they earn it by helping around the house with chores and other tasks that they are capable of.  When we go to the store now, they weigh the decision to take their money or save it.  9 times out of 10 they opt to save it for a bigger purchase.

My Daughter is 6.  She's in Girl Scouts.  This was the first year for her to sell cookies.  Her troupe set a goal of 100 boxes per girl.  She decided she was going to sell 200.  I asked her why 200, and her response was "100 is just their goal, you know, for the lazy girls."  She's on the right track!

Reminds me somewhat of the first time I made a C in school.   My mother was a middle and high school teacher, and for a time a college professor.  When I made that C she told me that schools are set up so that the average person can make an A.  A "C" is average, so if the average "C" person can make an A, then making a C in that context means your a Failure.  You should at LEAST make an A.    And often, even that is not good enough.

[Townsend]

Getting ready to make decisions on women's healthcare.

[heironymouspasparagus]

It's a brave new world where your children are dependents until 26.

A brave new world!

Mine weren't.  Gone at 18 and 19.  Grandkids doing the same routine.  Now, lo these many years later, they are doing ok.  I'm coaching them on the idea of getting rich so they can support me in my old age....it's only fair - I supported them for 18, I don't think it's too much for them to support me for a couple...  (I'm kidding!!)


What I tell them is that if they take me out of my home (to go to nursing home) I will come back and haunt them - for a long, long time!  They can call me once a week if they want, but if I don't answer, start a 5 day timer (if I don't call them back).  At the end of the 5 days, they can come over and check on me.  If still alive, then will probably survive and I will accept help to the hospital or ?.  If dead, then call in someone to clean up the place so they can sell it.

[erfalf]

Getting ready to make decisions on women's healthcare.

If you were being honest you would say, "Getting ready to make decisions on women's (who happen to work for religiously affiliated organizations) pocketbooks.

What they said or did limited in no way a woman's right to get health care.

[we vs us]

If you were being honest you would say, "Getting ready to make decisions on women's (who happen to work for religiously affiliated organizations) pocketbooks.

What they said or did limited in no way a woman's right to get health care.

Unless that healthcare revolves around contraception. But everything else?  Totally cool!

[Townsend]

If you were being honest you would say, "Getting ready to make decisions on women's (who happen to work for religiously affiliated organizations) pocketbooks.

What they said or did limited in no way a woman's right to get health care.

Or you could look at it as it actually was.

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa


The California congressman convened an all-male panel of clergy to discuss the mandate that insurance companies include coverage of birth control pills. He declined to include Sister Carol Keehan, president and CEO of the Catholic Health Association, which oversees some 1200 Catholic health organizations across the U.S., or Georgetown law student and activist Sandra Fluke, whose health plan does not cover contraception. Of the latter woman, Issa stated, "As the hearing is not about reproductive rights but instead about the [Obama] administration's actions as they relate to freedom of religion and conscience, he believes that Ms. Fluke is not an appropriate witness."

What We Learned: Freedom of conscience is not an appropriate topic for women to discuss; freedom from unplanned pregnancy, ovarian cysts, symptoms of endometriosis, irregular periods, migraines, and other health issues are not matters of public conscience; talking about icky body stuff is easier for dudes when ladies aren't around.

Read more: http://ideas.time.com/2012/03/07/subject-for-debate-are-women-people/#ixzz1oSvF1kuR

[nathanm]

Amen Gasp. I am with a woman who is all about enabling her children. Her oldest is 23 and still living at home. Hasnt had to fend for himself one bit. He is on his fourth car. Which she bought all of them. He spends every dime he makes (when he works) on fun little things for himself. And her second child is on his first car, which she bought. But this one likes to work and has a high dollar clothes addiction so I dont see him leaving anytime soon either.

With the unemployment rate for under-25s at around 20% thanks to all the older folks who would otherwise be unemployed taking the low-end jobs the outlook isn't great for getting the kids off your couch.

[Gaspar]

With the unemployment rate for under-25s at around 20% thanks to all the older folks who would otherwise be unemployed taking the low-end jobs the outlook isn't great for getting the kids off your couch.

Remove the couch.

Necessity is quite a motivator.

[erfalf]

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer."

Benjamin Franklin

I seriously doubt much has changed in this regard over the years.

[Gaspar]

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer."

Benjamin Franklin

I seriously doubt much has changed in this regard over the years.

Or thousands of years.

[Townsend]

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer."

Benjamin Franklin

I seriously doubt much has changed in this regard over the years.

So are you saying price their corn and medical care in a particular way?

[Hoss]

So are you saying price their corn and medical care in a particular way?

I think Erfalf is just the Washington County version of Gassy...

[erfalf]

So are you saying price their corn and medical care in a particular way?

Just out of curriosity, why did you ask that that particular question?

All I was saying was that nathanm suggested that it is older folks fault that younger people were out of work at a remarkably high rate. It is no fault of the older generation, in my opinion it shows quit a bit of back bone for that generation to be doing jobs that may seam beneath them, because they have to. I am just saying that being poor/out of work SHOULD be uncomfortable. It is the best motivation to better one's self.

Back to the "Paying for rubbers", I'd just like to reset the conversation so I'm clear. If we just remove the whole incedent of Rush having foot in mouth disease, what is the big uproar about anyways?