Eliminate income taxes over 10 years?

[dbacks fan]

Sauer, our tax rates don't matter when potential new employers take a look at all the stupid moralist laws our legislature keeps passing or trying to pass. 

The same can be said for people looking for work as well. Oklahoma is not very high on my list of where I'm looking for work, as well as the fact that jobs in my field are slim there, and it has nothing to do with taxes.

[sauerkraut]

You do realize that since 1990 Ohio has elected 5 governors, 4 of whom have been Republican? Accepting your premise for the sake of argument, they had 16 years straight in the governor's mansion and still failed to turn the state around by whatever metric you're using. Why would Republican policies do better in Oklahoma?

Ohio went from a moderate low tax state in 1990 to a high tax state by 2000. Many of the republican gov's were all RINO's like  George Vinovitch and his famous "sin tax" on soft drinks and he had a hissy fit when it was thrown out by the voters. He threatened to bring back the "sin tax" on soft drinks but never did.. Ohio has city income taxes and in some school districts there is also a school income tax. George Vinovitch was all RINO he never met a tax he didn't like. High taxes no matter who makes them (repuiblicans or democrats) hurt the economy.. Ohio passed a sales tax for  companies who use temp workers in the 1990's. Jobs, residents, and companies are bleeding out of Ohio... As Mary Fallin cuts taxes our economy will grow and actually bring in more money to the state from economic expantion.

[Conan71]

Ohio went from a moderate low tax state in 1990 to a high tax state by 2000. Many of the republican gov's were all RINO's like  George Vinovitch and his famous "sin tax" on soft drinks and he had a hissy fit when it was thrown out by the voters. He threatened to bring back the "sin tax" on soft drinks but never did.. Ohio has city income taxes and in some school districts there is also a school income tax. George Vinovitch was all RINO he never met a tax he didn't like. High taxes no matter who makes them (repuiblicans or democrats) hurt the economy.. Ohio passed a sales tax for  companies who use temp workers in the 1990's. Jobs, residents, and companies are bleeding out of Ohio... As Mary Fallin cuts taxes our economy will grow and actually bring in more money to the state from economic expantion.

Isn't Ohio also heavily unionized?

[Gaspar]

We have quite a few clients in Ohio, and as a part of our services we are required to set up, manage and support the tax tables and reporting in their software.  Out of all 50 (57 for some) states that we do business in, Ohio is the worst.  

They feature layer upon layer of taxes that actually requires some custom workflow just to get an accounting package to report it all correctly.  They have sales & use taxes and each city and district has a different layer and way to calculate it.  If you are a service company that provides repair services and operates service vehicles that cover more than one city, you need to have a full time person on staff just to manage your taxes.  You may need to file multiple forms a day per employee if your techs provide product and installation in multiple cities, or districts.

For the most part, it serves as a barrior to entry for small startup companies that can't afford the accounting staff or a high-dollar accounting software platform, or both.

[Hoss]

Ohio went from a moderate low tax state in 1990 to a high tax state by 2000. Many of the republican gov's were all RINO's like  George Vinovitch and his famous "sin tax" on soft drinks and he had a hissy fit when it was thrown out by the voters. He threatened to bring back the "sin tax" on soft drinks but never did.. Ohio has city income taxes and in some school districts there is also a school income tax. George Vinovitch was all RINO he never met a tax he didn't like. High taxes no matter who makes them (repuiblicans or democrats) hurt the economy.. Ohio passed a sales tax for  companies who use temp workers in the 1990's. Jobs, residents, and companies are bleeding out of Ohio...As Mary Fallin cuts taxes our economy will grow and actually bring in more money to the state from economic expantion.

Finding that McEnroe audio file where he screams something like "You cannot be serious! "

I think you might be living on Xenu.

Sent from my Atrix4G with fat fingers

[AquaMan]

Sauer, you are so insightful and obviously someone who thinks for yourself. I think I can safely say that since Republicans are now in charge and taxes are on the decline here that Oklahoma will once again be the powerhouse we have always been. Thanks for straightening us out and showing us why the facts are not relevant.

BTW, why did Fallin and the (effectively) unicameral legislature decide to eliminate income taxes on the top tier of income earners immediately while slowly lowering the taxes on the rest of us over a 10 year period? You won't see a measurable income tax decrease for 8-10yrs. Was that because there are so many low performing Democratic, unionized workers at the lower end who are simply unworthy?

[sauerkraut]

The same can be said for people looking for work as well. Oklahoma is not very high on my list of where I'm looking for work, as well as the fact that jobs in my field are slim there, and it has nothing to do with taxes.

You may want to check out the state of Michigan if your looking for work, the unemployment rate is only 14%, the taxes are nice and high, if you find a job pray that the company does not close up or move elsewhere. Ohio is not bad either high taxes and companies fleeing out of the state another great state to job hunt.

[Conan71]

Glenn made a funny! ^^^^

[dbacks fan]

Quote from: dbacks fan on March 18, 2012, 02:34:34 pmThe same can be said for people looking for work as well. Oklahoma is not very high on my list of where I'm looking for work, as well as the fact that jobs in my field are slim there, and it has nothing to do with taxes.

  You may want to check out the state of Michigan if your looking for work, the unemployment rate is only 14%, the taxes are nice and high, if you find a job pray that the company does not close up or move elsewhere. Ohio is not bad either high taxes and companies fleeing out of the state another great state to job hunt.

You know, you are as clueless as Lindsay Lohan driving a car.

[Teatownclown]

Glenn made a funny! ^^^^

^^^^

[carltonplace]

  You may want to check out the state of Michigan if your looking for work, the unemployment rate is only 14%, the taxes are nice and high, if you find a job pray that the company does not close up or move elsewhere. Ohio is not bad either high taxes and companies fleeing out of the state another great state to job hunt.

Are you a victim of the Oklahoma Public School system?

[Hoss]

Are you a victim of the Oklahoma Public School system?

OK, now let's not disparage that; I am a victim too...wait, what?

[Jammie]

Jammie, here is a post I made with research from a previous thread on this subject. I mistakenly remembered Maine, it was actually New Hampshire. Doesn't matter, damn Yankees both of them!


   
   
Re: Fallin cuts top tax rate, says state revenue growth is enough.
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2012, 05:19:17 pm »
Quote from: sauerkraut on February 18, 2012, 03:40:04 pm
Don't forget Texas is not the only state with no income tax, South Dakota, Wyoming, FL, Nevada, Washington and a few others have no income tax and they are all doing well, soon Oklahoma may joint the list of no-income tax states. I don't know what the prop taxes rates are in other states with no income tax. Most states do not tax food either.

Here are two of those states that have no income tax that you think are doing well:

Nevada....12.9% unemployment rate ....#51 ranking...highest unemployment in the nation
Florida....9.9% unemployment rate....#45 ranking
In fact only 2 of the states without income tax (you didn't mention Tennessee #35, Alaska #21, New Hampshire #4) are in the top half of the states rankings of unemployment. Texas is at #25. This according to the Bureau of Labor statistics.

Sorry my reply to your previous question is so late. I live in South Dakota. What am I doing on a Tulsa message board? I'd always been interested in visiting eastern OK and found this forum several years ago, joined, and asked a lot of questions and the nice folks answered them so I just hang out here on occasion. We may even move to that area some day.

Like Sauer said, we have a very low unemployment rate. North Dakota has the lowest in the nation and we're second lowest.

If you're highly educated, neither state will have much for you though. My area is looking for people like machinists, welders, etc. There are over 7,000 job openings up in Aberdeen so there's got to be a mixture up there.

My neighbor to the north is looking for people to work on the oil patches, also electricials, etc. People with associate degrees in SCADA and HVAC are always in demand up this way. We recently learned that even retail is paying between 14 and 18 per hr. in certain areas of North Dakota since there's been an influx of workers and not enough people to fill all the positions that are available. The problem you'll have in some of those areas is the lack of housing. There's supposed to be a company in Tx. that is making tiny houses that can be transported on semis and they can't make them fast enough for people to be able to get out of their cars or small campers. I can't confirm my last sentence since it's just hearsay.

South Dakota has actually lost at a chance for companies to move in because we don't have the labor force. I'm surprised that more unemployed people haven't headed this way since we have a lot of positives up here. We've got a huge negative and it's that some of our winters can be very brutal. It'd also be considered very boring for someone who comes from a city and is used to constantly having things going on around them.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Sorry my reply to your previous question is so late. I live in South Dakota. What am I doing on a Tulsa message board? I'd always been interested in visiting eastern OK and found this forum several years ago, joined, and asked a lot of questions and the nice folks answered them so I just hang out here on occasion. We may even move to that area some day.

Like Sauer said, we have a very low unemployment rate. North Dakota has the lowest in the nation and we're second lowest.

If you're highly educated, neither state will have much for you though. My area is looking for people like machinists, welders, etc. There are over 7,000 job openings up in Aberdeen so there's got to be a mixture up there.

My neighbor to the north is looking for people to work on the oil patches, also electricials, etc. People with associate degrees in SCADA and HVAC are always in demand up this way. We recently learned that even retail is paying between 14 and 18 per hr. in certain areas of North Dakota since there's been an influx of workers and not enough people to fill all the positions that are available. The problem you'll have in some of those areas is the lack of housing. There's supposed to be a company in Tx. that is making tiny houses that can be transported on semis and they can't make them fast enough for people to be able to get out of their cars or small campers. I can't confirm my last sentence since it's just hearsay.

South Dakota has actually lost at a chance for companies to move in because we don't have the labor force. I'm surprised that more unemployed people haven't headed this way since we have a lot of positives up here. We've got a huge negative and it's that some of our winters can be very brutal. It'd also be considered very boring for someone who comes from a city and is used to constantly having things going on around them.

If you come visit - and you should!! - bring a fishing pole!  We got lakes.  Sadly, not the clear water kind up there, but muddy and brackish, but loaded with black bass, stripers and catfish!  And crappie and gar and paddle fish and many others.  (Sorry, no pike...)  But you definitely want to spend your time in northeast Oklahoma.  There are some interesting things in OKC, but it you don't have unlimited time, stick within about 80 miles of Tulsa.

Oklahoma has a good bit of technology and engineering.  You have some technology up there - SymCom is in Rapid City.  And you got Sturgis!  Well, maybe that one isn't quite so technical, but it is interesting....

[sauerkraut]

Thanks to Mary Fallin Oklahoma is doing very good, anyone who wants a job can find one in Tulsa. The Sunday Tulsa paper is full of jobs.  Mary Fallin is pro-business and favors tax cuts~ the golden formulia that grows economies.