Eliminate income taxes over 10 years?

[Townsend]

Oklahoma State Debt

www.ok.gov/bondadvisor/State_Debt/index.html

[heironymouspasparagus]

Oklahoma State Debt

www.ok.gov/bondadvisor/State_Debt/index.html

Pesky facts!  Don't ya just hate 'em?

[guido911]

Me likey this:

BISMARCK, N.D. — Since Californians shrank their property taxes more than three decades ago by passing Proposition 13, people around the nation have echoed their dismay over such levies, putting forth plans to even them, simplify them, cap them, slash them. In an election here on Tuesday, residents of North Dakota will consider a measure that reaches far beyond any of that — one that abolishes the property tax entirely.

"I would like to be able to know that my home, no matter what happens to my income or my life, is not going to be taken away from me because I can't pay a tax," said Susan Beehler, one in a group of North Dakotans who have pressed for an amendment to the state's Constitution to end the property tax. They argue that the tax is unpredictable, inconsistent, counter to the concept of property ownership and needless in a state that, thanks in part to wildly successful oil drilling, finds itself in the rare circumstance of carrying budget reserves.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/us/north-dakota-voters-consider-ending-property-tax.html?_r=1&hp

I know it's a long shot up there, but I can dream a little; right? Timely also since I just got my property tax documents and had a look at all the services I am paying for which I have no intention of ever using.

[Hoss]

Me likey this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/us/north-dakota-voters-consider-ending-property-tax.html?_r=1&hp

I know it's a long shot up there, but I can dream a little; right? Timely also since I just got my property tax documents and had a look at all the services I am paying for which I have no intention of ever using.

Do that here, then it's free and clear on upping consumption taxes.  Watch excise tax (what you pay when buying a vehicle) triple...easily.  And other "fees" and taxes.  Income taxes would likely skyrocket.  Then what would Sauer have to crow about?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Me likey this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/us/north-dakota-voters-consider-ending-property-tax.html?_r=1&hp

I know it's a long shot up there, but I can dream a little; right? Timely also since I just got my property tax documents and had a look at all the services I am paying for which I have no intention of ever using.

It's for the common good.

Much the same way that I have to pay for the obscenity of Iraq with no value ever accruing to self.

[guido911]

It's for the common good.

Much the same way that I have to pay for the obscenity of Iraq with no value ever accruing to self.

Our property taxes are paying for the Iraq war? As for those taxes, I don't use the library (I have my own bathrooms and internet access), kids are in private schools, and have no plans to use Tulsa higher ed. Meh. Not seeing any "common good" for me there, but oh well. Like I said, I can dream, can't I?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Our property taxes are paying for the Iraq war? As for those taxes, I don't use the library (I have my own bathrooms and internet access), kids are in private schools, and have no plans to use Tulsa higher ed. Meh. Not seeing any "common good" for me there, but oh well. Like I said, I can dream, can't I?

You are helping educate the rest of the unwashed masses, so society in general will rise above it's baser activities and instincts by way of the enlightenment that accrues from said education.

[guido911]

You are helping educate the rest of the unwashed masses, so society in general will rise above it's baser activities and instincts by way of the enlightenment that accrues from said education.

I know what it's for and I really have no problem getting our children educated. College age? Meh, not as much. But the youngsters need a chance. Still, to me, there is that little voice (when I am not wearing this http://zapatopi.net/afdb/) asking where's the help from "society in general" to help educate my kids?

[heironymouspasparagus]

I know what it's for and I really have no problem getting our children educated. College age? Meh, not as much. But the youngsters need a chance. Still, to me, there is that little voice (when I am not wearing this http://zapatopi.net/afdb/) asking where's the help from "society in general" to help educate my kids?

Amazing - when I read your note - and before looking at the link - I was thinking aluminum hat!


Help is sitting there waiting for you to avail yourself.  Jenks, Union, Broken Arrow.  All three have systems that are - dare I express the heresy? - gonna educate your kids well.  (In spite of what the granddaughter says about Union being "so ghetto"....)  Probably my biggest complaint about those 3 is the way they keep the high schools as one instead of breaking them up - for the sole purpose of high school football!!  I really do hate that...

Ya just gotta adjust yourself to the idea that they would be exposed to the "unwashed masses"....yeah, it's a tough one - if I had your resources, I would probably do what you are doing.  (And I knew a small group of Holland Hall kids when I was in school - VERY wild and crazy kids!!  In all the ways their parents wanted to avoid by sending them there...) 

[guido911]

Ya just gotta adjust yourself to the idea that they would be exposed to the "unwashed masses"....yeah, it's a tough one - if I had your resources, I would probably do what you are doing.  (And I knew a small group of Holland Hall kids when I was in school - VERY wild and crazy kids!!  In all the ways their parents wanted to avoid by sending them there...)  

There is an "x" factor in my house, that is my vote on the guido kids' education being irrelevant.  I think knowing one's place in the family, and understanding it is not going to change, is the first step towards permanent acceptance.

[heironymouspasparagus]

There is an "x" factor in my house, that is my vote on the guido kids' education being irrelevant.  I think knowing one's place in the family, and understanding it is not going to change, is the first step towards permanent acceptance.

That's sad.  For you and the kids.  Is she a private school graduate?

[guido911]

That's sad.  For you and the kids.  Is she a private school graduate?

Nope. Only me (college). The reason I prefer private schools are well documented in here. And I trust you and others understand I was kidding about my lack of control--although with every good joke there is truth.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Nope. Only me (college). The reason I prefer private schools are well documented in here. And I trust you and others understand I was kidding about my lack of control--although with every good joke there is truth.

A common thread - private college.  TU if I remember correctly?

[guido911]

A common thread - private college.  TU if I remember correctly?

yep

[sauerkraut]

Oklahoma's and Tulsa's unemployment fell for another month in a row, it's now down to 4.8%. Mary Fallin Rocks. Her pro-growth & pro-business policys are working- They are attracting jobs to the city of Tulsa.