3 dead, 2 injured in series of shootings

[patric]

Sharpton cancelled.

No national coverage here?

Had to get back to FL where they money shots are, now that Zimmerman is being charged.
Not to worry, Roy Clark and Leon Russell are in town and much more entertaining.

[Teatownclown]

A Marshall's for my friend Conan ! Kudos. I truly do not know from what cloth we are cut. But it comes from the same origin.

cut from the same rag...

[carltonplace]

Morning addition played Steve Inskeep's interview with Dewey today. I was really rooting for the Mayor and he started out strong. 

[custosnox]

supposedly the race relations here aren't as good as we think they are

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Survey-on-Tulsa-race-relations-released/ulsaPmlIGEyw9VYJA5VPow.cspx

[ZYX]

supposedly the race relations here aren't as good as we think they are

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Survey-on-Tulsa-race-relations-released/ulsaPmlIGEyw9VYJA5VPow.cspx

Not when you stand at Pine and Peoria and take the survey...

[DolfanBob]

And this is run by a Black man.

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/

[nathanm]

Not when you stand at Pine and Peoria and take the survey...

Read before snarking. Or is that out of fashion nowadays?

http://www.jhfcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Tulsa-Race-Relations-2011.pdf

[erfalf]

Read before snarking. Or is that out of fashion nowadays?

http://www.jhfcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Tulsa-Race-Relations-2011.pdf

Why so many women. And I don't know the population densities, but it seems there is a disproportional amount of respondents from North and NW Tulsa.

[ZYX]

Read before snarking. Or is that out of fashion nowadays?

http://www.jhfcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Tulsa-Race-Relations-2011.pdf

Thanks for providing the link. I enjoyed the read, but I still think its mostly rubbish.

Why so many women. And I don't know the population densities, but it seems there is a disproportional amount of respondents from North and NW Tulsa.

I agree. That seemed a little odd. I think an equal amount from all over the city would have painted a more honest picture.

[nathanm]

I agree. That seemed a little odd. I think an equal amount from all over the city would have painted a more honest picture.

Please explain what difference you would expect to see in the results and how it would have affected the numbers presented.

[ZYX]

Please explain what difference you would expect to see in the results and how it would have affected the numbers presented.

I simply believe the city, not a part of the city, would have been better represented. For instance, I think the large respondents of blacks thinking they are talked about unfairly in the media, would have been different had more black respondents come from South Tulsa or Midtown.

How about this as a solution to the "problem." People need to freakin' start ignoring the color of their and others' skin. I don't care what color anyone is. The color of your skin has nothing to do with your ability to succeed, and I'm sick and tired of it being an excuse.

[nathanm]

How about this as a solution to the "problem." People need to freakin' start ignoring the color of their and others' skin. I don't care what color anyone is. The color of your skin has nothing to do with your ability to succeed, and I'm sick and tired of it being an excuse.

Surely you didn't mean to say this, but what I understand you to be saying is that you think minorities who talk about the discrimination and other challenges they face are liars.

This comes to mind as a suggestion:

[ZYX]

Surely you didn't mean to say this, but what I understand you to be saying is that you think minorities who talk about the discrimination and other challenges they face are liars.

This comes to mind as a suggestion:

Your video link is broken. I guess I'm fortunate(?) enough to have been born white. I don't think they're lying when they say they face discrimination, but I think it is a card played too frequently.

I've been discriminated against and had racial slurs used against me quite a few times before. I agree not as frequently or severe, but sometimes it's something you have to suck up and move on. It does no good to dwell on it.

[nathanm]

I've been discriminated against and had racial slurs used against me quite a few times before. I agree not as frequently or severe, but sometimes it's something you have to suck up and move on. It does no good to dwell on it.

As Louis CK has said: "I'm a white man, how many advantages could one person have? You can't even hurt my feelings. What can you call a white man that really digs deep? 'Hey, cracker!' 'Oh, ruined m' day. Boy shouldn't have called me a cracker. Bringing me back to owning land and people. What a drag.'"

That's not to diminish any discrimination that you have personally faced, but it's not the same when it doesn't appear to have the force of much of society behind it. Trying to raise awareness of the continuing racism in our society is not dwelling on the past or making excuses, it's dealing with the very real problems that still confront minorities in this country, both due to the increasing acceptance of poverty and the ever present latent racism in the criminal justice system.

If someone calls me a honky or whatever, it's easy to brush off. When 20 people have looked askance at you today because of the color of your skin, it's a lot harder to just let it go.

One of the great advantages of being white is just that. You might occasionally face racism, but the vast majority of the time you don't have to see it, deal with it, or even think about it if you don't want to. It isn't being foisted upon you by countless people every day. Even when it results in concrete harm, you're probably in a better position to handle it. You don't have to deal with the assholes stuck in 1955 who think that black people shouldn't be allowed to work indoors except as a servant.

We would have a much better country if that were true for everyone.

[custosnox]

As Louis CK has said: "I'm a white man, how many advantages could one person have? You can't even hurt my feelings. What can you call a white man that really digs deep? 'Hey, cracker!' 'Oh, ruined m' day. Boy shouldn't have called me a cracker. Bringing me back to owning land and people. What a drag.'"

That's not to diminish any discrimination that you have personally faced, but it's not the same when it doesn't appear to have the force of much of society behind it. Trying to raise awareness of the continuing racism in our society is not dwelling on the past or making excuses, it's dealing with the very real problems that still confront minorities in this country, both due to the increasing acceptance of poverty and the ever present latent racism in the criminal justice system.

If someone calls me a honky or whatever, it's easy to brush off. When 20 people have looked askance at you today because of the color of your skin, it's a lot harder to just let it go.

One of the great advantages of being white is just that. You might occasionally face racism, but the vast majority of the time you don't have to see it, deal with it, or even think about it if you don't want to. It isn't being foisted upon you by countless people every day. Even when it results in concrete harm, you're probably in a better position to handle it. You don't have to deal with the assholes stuck in 1955 who think that black people shouldn't be allowed to work indoors except as a servant.

We would have a much better country if that were true for everyone.

I think what he is talking about are all the ones that use their color as an excuse, that no matter what they bring the race card into it, or try to make it a race issue when it's really not.  It's funny how when chasing down a bounty how many times I heard "your buggin me because I'm black," despite the fact that I was after them, just like everyone else I tracked down, because they chose to skip bail.  Another one who went off on me because I was staring off into space in their general direction, but I was "watching them" because they were "black." 

You bring up the use of racial slurs, which I find interesting.  When a group of a particular color keep using a word but say someone of another color isn't allowed to, isn't that in itself racial? 

Also, I would say that the minorities are not the only ones that are effected adversely by racism.  I have suffered extreme racism while working at one of the casinos (hence why I really don't like the casinos).  I have also been fired from a job because a very racist black guy tried to claim I was racist, and made up crap saying I said and did things I did not do.  Without any kind of proof, they took his side.  Gee, I wonder why, especially after he made a Johnny Caucherin reference.