Riverwalk now owned by the Creek Nation

[Townsend]

I'm assuming they've not really released plans for the River Spirit Walk yet.

Think it'll be smoking and have bad country music performances every weekend?

[sgrizzle]

They need to get that Jenks dam built so I can float a water ferry between the two points. Vision 2025....get on that!

BTW, not exactly ecstatic to see mine and the good senator's names next to each other. He probaby feels the same way....

I see him yelling your name while waving his fist in the air.


Back on topic, wouldn't it be crazy if River Walk Crossing had a crossing? It has a walk and a river.

[Townsend]

Back on topic, wouldn't it be crazy if River Walk Crossing had a crossing? It has a walk and a river.

Is there one leading out to the parking lot?

[Conan71]

I don't care what they do with Riverwalk as long as they keep their word and re-route the pedestrian trail behind their casino on the east bank.  I'm tired of playing Frogger in their crosswalks.

[sgrizzle]

Is there one leading out to the parking lot?

No, that's a vestibule

[nathanm]

And to think, people honestly thought that Jenks would be the new development hotbed over downtown.  Can you imagine how horrible it would be if the Drillers had moved there?  It would have been a 30 year mistake.

The sad thing is that it didn't seem at all out of the question at the time that what little (apparent) momentum there seemed to be in DT would be overshadowed by Jenks. It seems the Tulsans were just more quiet than the Jenksers.

[Townsend]

I don't care what they do with Riverwalk as long as they keep their word and re-route the pedestrian trail behind their casino on the east bank.  I'm tired of playing Frogger in their crosswalks.

There's your crossing.

I have my doubts their word will be kept.

[Conan71]

There's your crossing.

I have my doubts their word will be kept.

Indian givers?

[TulsaGuy]

Any idea how long it will take for the Creek Nation to receive sovereignty on this piece of land? 

And where would these tax dollars normally go?  Tulsa City and County or just county?   Article stated about $200,000 (most likely more when they start adding tenants)

[carltonplace]

City Sales Tax region is Jenks America

[Townsend]

Smoke shop?

What other changes come from this?

[AquaMan]

Tiger said last nite on 6 that there would be no smoke shop or casino activities. They intend to use a third party to manage the center and fill it with tenants. That is a good plan. Good for pr, good for their nearby casino and good for the city of Jenks. Vreeland thinks the city can make some sort of arrangement to bring in tax dollars. Any taxes are better than none. Certainly its better to be operating with a strong base of support (tribal) than working off of promises, promises...

[Conan71]

They already have a smoke shop there, it's called The Cigar Box

Now that the Creeks own the land, does it become sovereign and exempt from sales tax collection or property tax?  That's a fair amount of revenue Jenks counts on.

[rdj]

They already have a smoke shop there, it's called The Cigar Box

Now that the Creeks own the land, does it become sovereign and exempt from sales tax collection or property tax?  That's a fair amount of revenue Jenks counts on.

Only if the business is owned by a tribal member or the tribe is the way I understand it.

[AquaMan]

If I were Vreeland, and thank the Lord I'm not, I would be prepared to offer a list of services that the city could offer the tribe in exchange for some % of sales, property tax or other benefit. The city can be their best friend and defender or stand by and watch as zoning laws, traffic flows, enforcement issues muddy up their operation. Yes, they need to prostitute themselves to the tribe.