Downtown stadium in the East End....

[TulsaRufnex]

I actually expected Ruff to ignore the smiley.  He may be correct in my opinion of him.  If he thinks I am a jerk, I consider it a compliment.

I find this quip insulting no matter what "smiley" you put beside it....

Ruff is like a government agency.  He won't be happy until we're not happy.

[TulsaRufnex]

Did you ignore the smiley?

However, I disagree with putting up "good enough." Yeah, I'd rather just wait til perfect comes around instead of putting up something that's just better than what's there now.

Problem is, nobody agrees what "perfect" is....

From a few years back....

USRufnex:  I don't think alot of the people potentially interested in moving to urban areas are looking for perfection... just a friggin grocery store for pete's sake... and it happens to be a big pet-peeve of mine to hear delusions of utopian splendor and over-romanticized concepts of new urbanism posing as reasonable plans for urban development...

If a plan comes around the pike that involves an "anchor" for a TIF district that incldes a ballpark, or a soccer stadium, or a WalMart, or a Nordstrom's, or an IKEA, or a BassPro, or a Stillwater Natl Bank, or a bigbox Temple to Athena... it'd be nice to find out the details first... before the self-appointed gate-keepers of downtown start with urbanesque well-worn dogmas on what their downtown should look like...

The suburban folks who are routinely maligned (by posters in this forum) all have kids who could very definitely move into Tulsa's "walkable urbanity" if it becomes available and affordable in the coming  years/decades... and some of those suburban folks could themselves "move into town" to retire... but only if they feel welcomed rather than scorned by the local cliques who consider themselves socially superior while dining on that oh-so-tasty Tulsa sushi... hmmm, this is starting to sound like a retread of an S.E. Hinton novel...

If OSU-Tulsa had offered what I was looking for five years ago, I woulda moved close to DT back then even without the required grocery store and could have stayed in Tulsa... I suspect my situation was pretty typical among the many Tulsans who eventually became ex-Tulsans...

I heard horror stories in the 90s from young apprentice artists for Tulsa Opera who stayed around downtown-- one of them made the huge mistake of coming to Tulsa without a car...

The area around KOTV/Blue Dome has improved over the past 5 years... especially if you like bars and a smattering of entertainment (which drains people from Cherry Street/Brookside, btw), but....

It is not a neighborhood.  Call part of it an enclave if you want, or a co-op... or call it a microhood if you wish... but Tracy Park and Brady Heights are neighborhoods... the East Village-- scratch that-- the East End-- or whatever the realtors wanna call it next week, is not...

[Conan71]

I find this quip insulting no matter what "smiley" you put beside it....

Glad to see the Dale Carnegie course is paying dividends...

[TulsaRufnex]

Glad to see the Dale Carnegie course is paying dividends...

Glad you noticed, Mr. Ziglar...

[TulsaRufnex]

However, I disagree with putting up "good enough." Yeah, I'd rather just wait til perfect comes around instead of putting up something that's just better than what's there now.

If I waited until "perfect" came along, I never would have moved back to Tulsa in the first place.

I would argue that if the proposed 5k-seat soccer stadium part of the rejected 1997 Tulsa Project had actually been built, it would have strengthened Tulsa's hand in 2003 and 2005 when the city was on Major League Soccer's radar.... and the east village/east end area would have been in a far better position for proposed development....

So, are we going to play a shell game by subsidizing risk with taxpayer money in a sparse area whose mid-century auto repair buildings have less historical significance than my 1928 craftsman bungalow in Owen Park?..... really?

I'll be walking to Mayfest and the Blue Dome Arts Festival today...... which will require a leisurely stroll past the salvation army and the county pokie.... again, not perfect... but still good...

[Teatownclown]

Don't hold your breath, Ruff. Bottom line is that land's highest and best use would be a retirement village....but do not be disappointed if it becomes a major big box....

[TulsaRufnex]

Two years from now the East End will look very different. There's really no room for a stadium already.

I agree the pieces of the puzzle are no longer available or viable for another attempt... years after a certain someone on this forum tirelessly argued that the "superblock" north of 6th and Frankfort would be perfect for a ballpark but not a a soccer stadium...

This thread was to point out that a downtown soccer stadium could have worked here....

Although I am happy to see cranes in the air around the Brady District, and to see some development north of 3rd Street, the area south of there is going to need some "heavy lifting".... so, is there any "anchor" proposed for this development?  

I keep reading about smaller-scale individual projects... to use an 80s-era catchphrase.... "Where's the Beef?"

[Conan71]

If I waited until "perfect" came along, I never would have moved back to Tulsa in the first place.

I would argue that if the proposed 5k-seat soccer stadium part of the rejected 1997 Tulsa Project had actually been built, it would have strengthened Tulsa's hand in 2003 and 2005 when the city was on Major League Soccer's radar.... and the east village/east end area would have been in a far better position for proposed development....

So, are we going to play a shell game by subsidizing risk with taxpayer money in a sparse area whose mid-century auto repair buildings have less historical significance than my 1928 craftsman bungalow in Owen Park?..... really?

I'll be walking to Mayfest and the Blue Dome Arts Festival today...... which will require a leisurely stroll past the salvation army and the county pokie.... again, not perfect... but still good...

You can always cross on the third St. bridge into downtown or is the hacienda north of 244?

[TulsaRufnex]

...uphill from Quannah on West Brady, north of the 244/Keystone Expressway....

[Conan71]

...uphill from Quannah on West Brady, north of the 244/Keystone Expressway.... against my better judgement, here's the youtube for the real estate listing-- and no, it's NOT for sale... it's mine, all mine....... this post will likely be removed by myself in next couple of hours.....
Presenting "The Humble Casa del TulsaRufnex"....

Mayfest after-party at Ruf's!  Great house, very cool neighborhood. 

[TulsaRufnex]

Alright.  So much for the idea of deleting the post containing my address...  

So, after Mayfest... I took quite a few pictures of the "East End" area that supposedly doesn't have enough room for anything other than residential/mixed-use new urbanism....

I thought the only rule I had for this site is to respond to any Shadows post in the form of a Haiku.... Next rule:  I will end all responses in this thread with a Dale Carnegie quote.... cheers!  
This is "walkable urbanity".... in Chicago....



"Remember, today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday."  Dale Carnegie

[AquaMan]

I drove 244 last week and recognized your house. It sits well (on the side of a hill) and must have a great view of the river, refineries and downtown skyline. I really like that neighborhood.

[TulsaRufnex]

Last 4th of July had three fireworks shows... the river... the ballpark... and the country club... remarkable... even had some "tourists" parked in front from around the neighborhood... and the house cost less than a studio condo cost on the northside of the windy city....    

The boarded up house next door to me reminds me of the East End/East Village situation... owner refuses to sell... any prospective buyers would have little choice but to level it and start from scratch... yet "perfection" dictates a new owner should do a gut rehab... and so it sits.  Go figure.

"Applause is a receipt, not a bill."  Dale Carnegie

[TulsaRufnex]

Welcome to NOT "walkable urbanity".... or designate-able "historic district"....



"First ask yourself: What is the worst that can happen? Then prepare to accept it. Then proceed to improve on the worst."  Dale Carnegie

[TulsaRufnex]

 

"Do you remember the things you were worrying about a year ago? How did they work out? Didn't you waste a lot of fruitless energy on account of most of them? Didn't most of them turn out all right after all?"  Dale Carnegie