South Saint Francis - Warren Foundation MasterPlan

[LandArchPoke]

I had googled the Warren Foundation earlier (won't go into why).. and look what I stumbled upon. I don't know if the Master Plan for the South Saint Francis Area has been shown or talked about on here? I searched for it  on here and couldn't find anything.

http://www.design-space-studio.com/projects/nhood/warren/warren.html#warren1

This was done by RTKL (someone broke off from them and started the new company ^ and they are using it as an example of previous work)









What does everyone think about this? I find it interesting that they would like to engage 91st Street the way it is. I would say the Master Plan for this would be even better than the River District and by far one of the better suburban new urbanism designs in this part of the country.

Granted I'm sure this is on hold for a while with the economy and will probably turn into another strip center, but so far the campus and road layout has followed what they have on the Master Plan. Would the City of Tulsa even allow them to redesign 91st Street like they have purposed?

[dsjeffries]

What does everyone think about this? I find it interesting that they would like to engage 91st Street the way it is. I would say the Master Plan for this would be even better than the River District and by far one of the better suburban new urbanism designs in this part of the country.

Granted I'm sure this is on hold for a while with the economy and will probably turn into another strip center, but so far the campus and road layout has followed what they have on the Master Plan. Would the City of Tulsa even allow them to redesign 91st Street like they have purposed?

Hey, if QuikTrip can take public roads for their own use, I'm sure this would be a piece of cake. Interesting plans. I wish we could see higher resolution images...

Edit: Oh, wait. Since this is Mansur's District (7), I'm sure he'll now be opposed to such an idea.



By the way, I found a little more information on it through the "show caption" button on their website:

Warren Foundation Development Corporation acquired a total of 200-acres around their new St. Francis South medical facility for a proposed "healthy living" district.  Space Between partners led the masterplanning process to bring a walkable, bikeable "complete" neighborhood where residents can get to all of their daily needs within a short walk or bike ride.  The introduction of complementary uses blended seamlessly with the evolving medical district will help the hospital attract and retain staff in the hyper-competitive medical fields.

[Conan71]

Hey, if QuikTrip can take public roads for their own use, I'm sure this would be a piece of cake. Interesting plans.

Damn, beat me to it!

[LandArchPoke]

Hey, if QuikTrip can take public roads for their own use, I'm sure this would be a piece of cake. Interesting plans. I wish we could see higher resolution images...

Edit: Oh, wait. Since this is Mansur's District (7), I'm sure he'll now be opposed to such an idea.

Haha nice! 

I could see people in Broken Arrow throwing a fit though over this, because it might slow them down some on their way to 169. Kudos to the Warren Foundation for the MasterPlan, it's pretty progressive for suburban Oklahoma. Now we'll see where it goes 10 years from now and how much it changes. I'm wondering if they are waiting on the County to actually start/finish widening Garnett all the way to 101st.

[SouthTulsaCountyDude]

Interesting plans. I wish we could see higher resolution images...

Agreed.   Hard to see details of the MasterPlan with the posted pictures.   

Wish there was more information on this and also the Warren Foundation's land on Hwy 75/111th in the Jenks area.   

LandArchPoke how did you find this... I didn't have much luck finding anything. 

[Teatownclown]

It's a high price sketch known as a land plan. It really means little at this time. But someday it would be nice to see the tax free developer create more jobs in that area. Usually, long term developers will maximize density uses, determine zoning, and design first rate urban planning. It helps in marketing the land and serves as a guide for development. I would imagine they've looked at the area between 61st and 71st Yale to Sheridan and determined they can not only recreate that type land use but fine tune it as well. Monteraux 2?

If you're going to blast one of Tulsa's premier corporations for getting public funds look at how they offset it in what they pay in taxes and job creation.

A better example would be Paul Zachary finding $5 million dollars out of the street package ($240 mill) to give to a ciggy manufacturer and a Slyder to extend 5th street to the old city hall for a cheap hotel accommodation. We never voted on that...besides, it needs to go to improve 91st. Mr. Zachary should be let go. His priorities are screwed up and his shiftiness questioned. Amazing how so many tax payers get upset over our National expenditures but pay little attention to local abuses. You'd think that $5 mill could have been invested in fixing old city hall....and then we'd have a state of the art building to lure an outside corporation with more jobs for downtown where the public trust lies today.

[sgrizzle]

So we could build a mixed use development around a history downtown.
Or we could build a mixed use development around a college.
Or we could build a mixed use development around the river.

But someone thought the best idea was to build it around a hospital? A place you don't want to go to unless you have to?

[rdj]

That land (south of 91st) is definitely a long term hold.  They've turned down a lot of offers to sell.

[dsjeffries]

So we could build a mixed use development around a history downtown.
Or we could build a mixed use development around a college.
Or we could build a mixed use development around the river.

But someone thought the best idea was to build it around a hospital? A place you don't want to go to unless you have to?

Do you think St. John makes Utica Square, Swan Lake or Terwilliger Heights an undesirable area? I think access to health care is a great asset, and the hospital itself may not be the main draw this proposed development. Or maybe it is. It depends on what demographics they're trying to target. They could easily target baby boomers looking for a healthier, more walkable neighborhood with easy access to health care, open space, parks and restaurants. Or they could try to attract young people who want all those things but for whom the term "health care" is an afterthought.

[AquaMan]

Do you think St. John makes Utica Square, Swan Lake or Terwilliger Heights an undesirable area?

It lessens its desirability as far as livability, yes. Good health care in Tulsa is easily accessed. Having a major, aggressive hospital near your hood? Not so good. Parking, traffic, defense of boundaries just to name a few issues. As much as I love Swan Lake, I wouldn't want to live on the side nearer Utica. Same thing with the Square or Terwilliger hoods. As far as Swan Lake, Utica Square or Terwilliger heights farther away from the hospital, not much makes them undesirable other than spreading McMansion viruses.

[sgrizzle]

Do you think St. John makes Utica Square, Swan Lake or Terwilliger Heights an undesirable area? I think access to health care is a great asset, and the hospital itself may not be the main draw this proposed development. Or maybe it is. It depends on what demographics they're trying to target. They could easily target baby boomers looking for a healthier, more walkable neighborhood with easy access to health care, open space, parks and restaurants. Or they could try to attract young people who want all those things but for whom the term "health care" is an afterthought.

Those are things build adjacent to the hospital, this is a development built AROUND a hospital.

[Teatownclown]

Those are things build adjacent to the hospital, this is a development built AROUND a hospital.

Grizz....as you know, the hospital exists there. Now.

What? You think they should just leave it out of some MasterPlan?