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Started by Gaspar, May 14, 2012, 10:58:02 AM

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Conan71

Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 17, 2012, 04:11:48 PM
You are absolutely right...that little op-ed was some propaganda - anti-propaganda to the oil industry distortions put out to scare and intimidate people into just shutting up and sitting down so they can go about their business without "unwarranted government intrusion" - like any kind of regulation.


The first three things, which were so quickly jumped over are just some of the benefits that big oil gets that other industries don't.  Want to address them?  One of my favorites is the intangible drilling costs...fun with accounting!



There's intangible costs to just about every industrial process.  The only way to avoid it is return to the stone ages.  Get your old road bike out and start becoming part of the solution again ;)
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heironymouspasparagus

Quote from: Conan71 on May 17, 2012, 04:16:54 PM
There's intangible costs to just about every industrial process.  The only way to avoid it is return to the stone ages.  Get your old road bike out and start becoming part of the solution again ;)


That's not the kind of intangibles we are talking about here.  Different thing altogether - it is as if you could buy a large piece of capital equipment, and then just expense it all at once.  Given the past/present/future value of money analyses, which would you rather do?  Expense something now, or amortize over 20 or 30 years??



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nathanm

Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 17, 2012, 04:24:11 PM
which would you rather do?  Expense something now, or amortize over 20 or 30 years??

Depends on the rest of the tax bill. If it's been an unprofitable year, better to take regular depreciation. If there's a tax bill to offset, better to take it now. ;)
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

heironymouspasparagus

Quote from: nathanm on May 17, 2012, 04:29:57 PM
Depends on the rest of the tax bill. If it's been an unprofitable year, better to take regular depreciation. If there's a tax bill to offset, better to take it now. ;)

And when has big oil had a "bad year"?
"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.

Conan71

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Gaspar

Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 17, 2012, 04:24:11 PM

That's not the kind of intangibles we are talking about here.  Different thing altogether - it is as if you could buy a large piece of capital equipment, and then just expense it all at once.  Given the past/present/future value of money analyses, which would you rather do?  Expense something now, or amortize over 20 or 30 years??

Depends on the rate of depreciation, and economic outlook.  In many cases it can be like 'money in the bank' and in other cases you want to take as much out of play as possible.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

heironymouspasparagus

Quote from: Conan71 on May 17, 2012, 04:32:06 PM
About 30 years ago.


Not the "7 Sisters"...it was just the small operators that took it in the shorts.  Exxon, Texaco, etc still did very well.

"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.