Am I Responsible For My Neighbor's Children Education?

[AquaMan]

I'll go back to our constitution and find where the right to education paid for by your neighbor is found.

You do that. It'l keep you busy and off of here for awhile. Then note that we've been doing it for over 150 years or so.

[AquaMan]

You should be more concerned about your disrespectful and damnable tone waterboy. I, as do many many others out there, do PLENTY to make life livable for everyone far beyond what they pay in taxes--which is far more than you. And get over your damned self and how "erudite" you think you are. Unless someone appointed you "president of the internet" and can thus boycott posters, there are people out there that, gulp, who may disagree with you.

EDITED:  In thinking about this I have concluded that I am just done with whatever "beyond tax" contributions to make this town and state better. I am not even from here originally, yet it's my home and I wanted nothing more than my neighbors to be better off--even at my own personal expense. Not any more. Helping others--which is what it's supposed to be about and NOT how such makes the donor feel--is now lost to me. Maybe waterboy's insight can make up the difference.

Me, erudite? You so funny. And so sensitive. Doesn't feel so good when you're on the barb does it?

If you feel it necessary to take your ball and go home cause the rules don't suit you, then don't blame it on me. Be a man and move to one of Sauer's favorite states where you can enjoy your money and bathe in your noblesse oblige without anyone questioning your beliefs.

[guido911]

Me, erudite? You so funny. And so sensitive. Doesn't feel so good when you're on the barb does it?

If you feel it necessary to take your ball and go home cause the rules don't suit you, then don't blame it on me. Be a man and move to one of Sauer's favorite states where you can enjoy your money and bathe in your noblesse oblige without anyone questioning your beliefs.

Blame you for keeping my money? Nope. Those is need can blame you if they choose.

As for taking time out? I have before. But each time I returned I managed to be man enough to retain my same forum name. How about you?

As for 150 years ago, what happened in 1872 (or so) that created the mentality that our neighbors are required to pay for one another's education? 

[Red Arrow]

Blame you for keeping my money? Nope. Those is need can blame you if they choose.

As for taking time out? I have before. But each time I returned I managed to be man enough to retain my same forum name. How about you?

As for 150 years ago, what happened in 1872 (or so) that created the mentality that our neighbors are required to pay for one another's education? 

You need to read the link I posted.  It talks about the need for common education in the new (after the 13 original colonies) states including the need to learn English.

[AquaMan]

Blame you for keeping my money? Nope. Those is need can blame you if they choose.

As for taking time out? I have before. But each time I returned I managed to be man enough to retain my same forum name. How about you?

As for 150 years ago, what happened in 1872 (or so) that created the mentality that our neighbors are required to pay for one another's education? 

You are so losing this battle. Yet, I couldn't care less.

Please, tell all your charities that you would like to continue to help but someone questioned you on a forum and you just can't do it anymore. That's class? Really, Gueed, I know people with lots more money than you who give lots more of their time and wealth and hardly mention it. That's real class.

Time out? You inferred that you weren't from here and might just move on. I changed my name but everyone knew it. I took time off, collected my self and returned when I had this forum in some clear perspective. I also thought it was better to be referred to as a man (aquaman) rather than a boy (waterboy). Even so, I always introduce myself with all my names when visiting TN functions (you know, the ones you never go to). So sue me.

150 years ago would have been in the 1860's. If you had bothered to read any of the links you would have seen an act that created federal land grants for universities at that time. Communities had already been granting land for public schools before then. But why bother? It doesn't fit your scheme.

Its been fun, but this thread is going nowhere fast.

[Red Arrow]

Yet, I couldn't care less.

Ding, Ding, Ding......

Someone who finally used the correct statement that they 'couldn't care less" rather than the more common "could care less".

THANK YOU.

[Teatownclown]

As for 150 years ago, what happened in 1872 (or so) that created the mentality that our neighbors are required to pay for one another's education?  

I have to post this Thurow quote again? Gweedoe, some of us changed our monikers because we were thrown off while you were allowed to continue on in your bully manner. We found our way in the backdoor which meant choosing new identities. You made me do it...

"Social welfare programs may be a matter of ethics and generosity, but education and training are not. I am willing to pay for, indeed insist upon, the education of my neighbor'e children, not because I am generous but because I cannot afford to live with them uneducated." Lester C. Thurow MIT

Please don't go away until after November. We will hand you your exit.

[guido911]

You need to read the link I posted.  It talks about the need for common education in the new (after the 13 original colonies) states including the need to learn English.

I read the article Red, but my take from it was more about finance than need--although both is very important. I am tired of listening to people b!tch about how public education should be paid for. I look out my front door twice a day and see my tax-funded limo service dropping off and picking up public school kids at 1 block intervals while I drive my kids to a school which I pay for since I am unconvinced that public ed measures up.

[guido911]

I have to post this Thurow quote again? Gweedoe, some of us changed our monikers because we were thrown off while you were allowed to continue on in your bully manner. We found our way in the backdoor which meant choosing new identities. You made me do it...

Please don't go away until after November. We will hand you your exit.

Using the backdoor aox?

[Teatownclown]

I just love getting the revenue side discussion of paying for making Tulsa a great city out into the open. I am often amazed the same people who want less government fail to look for lost money that belongs to all the citizens. You find it a lost cause to address the issue of tax avoidance and it's adverse effects? Just because their personal financial situation dictates their logic and altruistic ways does not mean the rest of us shouldn't discuss what Ken Yazell proposes.


Back door man.

Gotta go....time for Mad Men I like the show more than reading your mean man trash talk... Arteest the Dreamer, how about some senior living downtown?

[TheArtist]

I thought it interesting that in one of the articles about the Land Grants and the Northwest Ordinance, there was concern from the Founding Fathers that states might adopt a different form of government, or non-democratic forms of government, and were also concerned that different states might adopt different languages.  So if you want to argue that there isn't anything in the Constitution requiring publicly funded education, one must then allow that there also isn't anything in the Constitution saying that a state has to have a democratic form of government or have English as its primary language?  

[guido911]

I thought it interesting that in one of the articles about the Land Grants and the Northwest Ordinance, there was concern from the Founding Fathers that states might adopt a different form of government, or non-democratic forms of government, and were also concerned that different states might adopt different languages.  So if you want to argue that there isn't anything in the Constitution requiring publicly funded education, one must then allow that there also isn't anything in the Constitution saying that a state has to have a democratic form of government or have English as its primary language?  

Well there is always the Supremacy clause to stamp out dictatorships I guess.  Interesting take though, and I'll think more about it.

[Red Arrow]

I read the article Red, but my take from it was more about finance than need--although both is very important. I am tired of listening to people b!tch about how public education should be paid for. I look out my front door twice a day and see my tax-funded limo service dropping off and picking up public school kids at 1 block intervals while I drive my kids to a school which I pay for since I am unconvinced that public ed measures up.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.  I think public education is a lot less expensive than public ignorance (which leads to people becoming Democrats  ).  The public school system needs to be fixed, not abandoned.  If you choose to send your kids to private school, OK.  You will still be better off in the long run if you support public education.

[guido911]

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.  I think public education is a lot less expensive than public ignorance (which leads to people becoming Democrats  ).  The public school system needs to be fixed, not abandoned.  If you choose to send your kids to private school, OK.  You will still be better off in the long run if you support public education.

As I wrote at first, I think all children need a chance. I have always been a child first person and that is well documented in here. My beef is at those bitching about how its paid for and how they feel some folks are getting over. Seriously Red, I have answered the questions as to what's the point of going beyond what one kicks in as taxes? That's all.

[guido911]

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.  

And by the way, it's speaks volumes that two posters in this forum that are relatively close ideologically can disagree on something like this. And we have in the past as well. How about the other side? I mean, other than RM and the 2008 election stuff.   I keed I keed.