Poo In The River

[AquaMan]

Shadowman, you're views on the river and water systems are limited and experiential. Facts are more reliable. Facts and experience are golden. What you're doing is just spreading gossip.

[Hoss]

Which books are you referencing?

They might be written in Sanskrit.

[Townsend]

They might be written in Sanskrit.

Whatever language is written in Makingcrapupasiwriteland.

[Hoss]

Whatever language is written in Makingcrapupasiwriteland.

There are several on here.  From different counties of the state, I'm sure...

[shadows]

Nah, there were several battles,

Here's Chusto-Talasah (Tulsa):  http://www.nps.gov/hps/abpp/battles/ok002.htm

That's about 86th Street North and Delaware.

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Thinking the gist of the postings was on Aransas river seems there was a limited numbers of battles in the civil war that was fought on the river that was converted to a major sewer from the clear head waters up stream.

In fact history has a hard time reporting where the battles were fought in seeking the control of Indian territory.                                 

[RecycleMichael]

OK shadows. Name a river in America that doesn't have waste water discharged into it.

[AquaMan]

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Thinking the gist of the postings was on Aransas river seems there was a limited numbers of battles in the civil war that was fought on the river that was converted to a major sewer from the clear head waters up stream.

In fact history has a hard time reporting where the battles were fought in seeking the control of Indian territory.                                 

Well, brain wave, the battle of Round Mountain also was not on the Arkansas River. It was near the Cimmaron (which was mistakenly referred to as the Red Fork of the Arkansas) but even then no specific location can be confirmed. However, the battle of Chusto Talasah was the end result of Confederate soldiers who chased a group of indians (led by Yahola iirc) across the Arkansas River before engaging them at Bird Creek.

The Confederates weren't seeking control of Indian territory, they were seeking control of the Southern portion of the United States which included Oklahoma.

And please, stop showing your ignorance. The Cimarron has always been a sandy, salty, murky river upstream of Tulsa whereas the Arkansas is actually pretty clear until it merges with the Cimarron at Keystone. Neither is loaded with sewage even in the Tulsa area. What contamination does show up is in the form of fertilizer runoff, dog and animal feces from nearby homeowners and geese droppings. Those primarily after big rains.

Those water quality facts are available on Corps websites and through ODEQ. Or you could just stay stupid in which case you should concentrate on city refuse issues where you truly shine..

[heironymouspasparagus]

OK shadows. Name a river in America that doesn't have waste water discharged into it.

Yellowstone??

Looks pretty clean if it does get dumped in....

[RecycleMichael]

Yellowstone??

Nope. Billings Montana discharges into the basin.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/wri/wri984269/anthropo.html

[heironymouspasparagus]

Nope. Billings Montana discharges into the basin.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/wri/wri984269/anthropo.html

Doesn't surprise me...gotta put it somewhere....still...very nice river down close to the park.

[shadows]

Well, brain wave, the battle of Round Mountain also was not on the Arkansas River. It was near the Cimmaron (which was mistakenly referred to as the Red Fork of the Arkansas) but even then no specific location can be confirmed. However, the battle of Chusto Talasah was the end result of Confederate soldiers who chased a group of indians (led by Yahola iirc) across the Arkansas River before engaging them at Bird Creek.
The Confederates weren't seeking control of Indian territory, they were seeking control of the Southern portion of the United States which included Oklahoma.
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There is a sign on the highway on the south side of the Keystone dam, a short distance west of the dam pointing out the directions to the Round Mountain Battle field.  Google says that the confederation fought it the battle for control of Indian Territory.  The supposed encampment of the South Nation of some 1400 troops and horses would require water and space.  If I were picking a spot I would say the battle happened near the encampment at the Three Forks.
 
The south was a completely formed nation who had joined the Union with the stipulation that if things did not work out then they could withdraw.  (Quick check? Google) The war of 1860 was fought because the south wanted to exercise their right to succeed from the Northern Union.

RM: White River I believe as it flows out of the cliff at Van Buren, Mo., is not contaminated with any human waste. 

[AquaMan]

Well, brain wave, the battle of Round Mountain also was not on the Arkansas River. It was near the Cimmaron (which was mistakenly referred to as the Red Fork of the Arkansas) but even then no specific location can be confirmed. However, the battle of Chusto Talasah was the end result of Confederate soldiers who chased a group of indians (led by Yahola iirc) across the Arkansas River before engaging them at Bird Creek.
The Confederates weren't seeking control of Indian territory, they were seeking control of the Southern portion of the United States which included Oklahoma.
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There is a sign on the highway on the south side of the Keystone dam, a short distance west of the dam pointing out the directions to the Round Mountain Battle field.  Google says that the confederation fought it the battle for control of Indian Territory.  The supposed encampment of the South Nation of some 1400 troops and horses would require water and space.  If I were picking a spot I would say the battle happened near the encampment at the Three Forks.
 
The south was a completely formed nation who had joined the Union with the stipulation that if things did not work out then they could withdraw.  (Quick check? Google) The war of 1860 was fought because the south wanted to exercise their right to succeed from the Northern Union.

RM: White River I believe as it flows out of the cliff at Van Buren, Mo., is not contaminated with any human waste.  

The sign near Keystone was put up to commemorate a battle. They don't know where the battle took place. Can't even find any remains or artifacts. Just like the Creek Council tree is a commemorative location. They are not certain of the location and that certainly is not the tree. Nonetheless, it was not the only battle fought in Indian Territory.

You're view of the reasons for the Civil War are popular but hardly accurate. Texas says it never joined the Union too.  Lots of these myths persist but the real reasons for the "war of aggression" as the south called it, are complex and related to money control (banking), states rights, capital assets (slaves), manufacturing disparity and plain old ignorant racism. Google isn't the definitive source for history.

BTW, what major cities are located on the White River? On the Illinois? No doubt local farmers are dumping chicken waste, fertilizer and human waste into those riversl. If I were you, I wouldn't be drinking water from anywhere.

[shadows]

The civil war was fought because slavery?  "Four score and seven years ago........)
Last time I read the sign on the highway it directed one to the supposed battle field.
Seem some of us need a third grade history book.

[RecycleMichael]

RM: White River I believe as it flows out of the cliff at Van Buren, Mo., is not contaminated with any human waste. 

It might be clean when it comes out of a rock, but the City of Van Buren has three wastewater plants that quickly discharge into it. I am not so sure about how pure it is coming out of the rock because of the large number of aged septic systems in the area.

[AquaMan]

The civil war was fought because slavery?  "Four score and seven years ago........)
Last time I read the sign on the highway it directed one to the supposed battle field.
Seem some of us need a third grade history book.

You need to do better research on history and while you're at it perk up those reading and comprehension skills! I never said because of slavery. Slaves were capital assets for the Southern farmers. Like most wars, the reasons are complex and mostly economic related.

Oh, yeah. Follow the directions that the sign gives. I've read that sign. Good luck.