Biden 2016

[Gaspar]

Bwahahahahahaha!

Special Joe May Challenge Hillary in 2016

[Townsend]

How quickly you forget the field on the GOP side just the last few months.

Not easy to vote in the primaries when you flinch at the mention of the candidates' names.

[Hoss]

How quickly you forget the field on the GOP side just the last few months.

Not easy to vote in the primaries when you flinch at the mention of the candidates' names.

I'll start.

Trump.  Ooh, almost dislocated a shoulder on that one.

[Townsend]

I'll start.

Trump.  Ooh, almost dislocated a shoulder on that one.

Right?  Makes everything pucker.

[guido911]

I don't want to drift this thread, but I'm interested in knowing who the dems "up and comers" are? While the Repigs dusted off Newt and threw out a couple of tea party favs this cycle, they may not be looking to those in 2016 (except maybe the unmentioned pecker shrinker). More like Rubio, Rand Paul, Nikki Haley, Jindal, Christie, Paul Ryan etc. down the road. Maybe even this badass:

[Townsend]

I don't want to drift this thread, but I'm interested in knowing who the dems "up and comers" are? While the Repigs dusted off Newt and threw out a couple of tea party favs this cycle, they may not be looking to those in 2016 (except maybe the unmentioned pecker shrinker). More like Rubio, Rand Paul, Nikki Haley, Jindal, Christie, Paul Ryan etc. down the road. Maybe even this badass:

I'm really hoping for a move away from the far right.

[guido911]

I'm really hoping for a move away from the far right.

Really T? Because I find it somewhat curious how democrats show interest in who the repubs run for office as if they would actually, EVER vote for one. Especially for president.

Anyway, back to the dems "up and comers". I'm kinda hoping they pick moderates like Bernie Sanders or Kucinich (like I'd ever vote for them).

[Townsend]

Really T? Because I find it somewhat curious how democrats show interest in who the repubs run for office as if they would actually, EVER vote for one. Especially for president.

Republican.  Just more moderate than the party's tended to go.

I wasn't raised in Oklahoma so this style of Republican is different than what I was familiar with before my nose was assaulted with the smell of uber-conservative right wing Oklahoma southern  Republicanism.

[guido911]

Anyway, back to the dems "up and comers"...

[Gaspar]

I'd like to see the birth of a strong Libertarian party in the next election.  One not run by crazy uncle Ron.  But the chances are that Hillary will be our president in 2016.  Joe Biden, bless his little heart, is simply not someone that the American people would be comfortable putting in charge of the management of a KFC.

Bill is already running around laying the groundwork (and the help).  It's important to the Clintons that Obama doesn't see a second term.  Bill is out today supporting opposing Democrat candidates in local elections, and establishing his philosophical divide from President Obama.  Last night at a fund-raiser in NY, Bill reminded the attendees of the difference between him and President Obama by saying "I care about the long term debt of the country a lot. Remember me, I'm the only guy that gave you four surplus budgets out of the eight I sent."  Ouch!

Bill keeps firing shots over the bow, but even a tiny remark from Bill Clinton is more powerful than 20 minutes of Teleprompter from President Obama.  

[nathanm]

Sorry to inject a little reality into the situation, but Clinton did not face a Congress that refused to raise taxes one iota. (unless it's on poor people, in which case love 'em..yes virginia, poor people already got their tax increase)

[guido911]

Anyway, back to the dems "up and comers"...

Well since I am getting no help from the dems in here, I'll toss out names Andrew Cuomo and Gavin Newsom.

[Gaspar]

Sorry to inject a little reality into the situation, but Clinton did not face a Congress that refused to raise taxes one iota. (unless it's on poor people, in which case love 'em..yes virginia, poor people already got their tax increase)

He faced Newt, who had to shut down the federal government to get him to sign a balanced budget.  He then, masterfully, took credit for signing that "landmark legislature."

No matter how you slice it, Bill Clinton was a cunning genius.  For the most part he was very successful at getting congress to work with him because he was a friend to business & industry.  He realized the direct connection between business, and the people, and congress.  Make business grow, and you make people employed and happy, and therefore make friends in congress. Bill was never on a rampage to punish the wealthy or blame successful people for the failure of others.  On the contrary, he celebrated success in all forms of industry, and touted the successful as "role-models" instead of "fat-cats."  There is a very stark contrast between Clintonian politics and the politics of fairness.  

Under Clinton you never heard about a war on women, though their may have been several women under him at the time.

[Gaspar]

Doh!  He just did it again.  Claiming a double dip!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47693595

"Former President Bill Clinton told CNBC Tuesday that the US economy already is in a recession and urged Congress to extend all the tax cuts due to expire at the end of the year."



I'm telling you, Romney may not win this election, it may be delivered to him by Bill Clinton.

Expect another faint walk-back today, and watch this trend continue.

[Townsend]

I'm telling you, Romney may not win this election, it may be delivered to him by Bill Clinton.

Well he can't win it without someone's help.