If the economy is so bad, why are tax receipts up?

[Hoss]

That's the thing.  According to Gallup, he doesn't need to.  A majority of Americans blame Bush without anyone having to tell them.

But you know Gallup has a known liberal bias!

[Townsend]

But you know Gallup has a known liberal bias!

If Fox posted these findings the crazies would say Fox had a liberal bias.

Reality never matters as long as perception rules the populous.

[Gaspar]

If Fox posted these findings the crazies would say Fox had a liberal bias.

Reality never matters as long as perception rules the populous.

I'd seize on that if I were President Obama.  Wouldn't you?  Lets see if he does. . .

Well he didn't in today's "reset" speech, though he did admonish himself a bit for making the comment about the private sector even though we all know that he, and even some of the poster on this forum believe his original words reflected his true belief and understanding.  Today he said:

"Over the next five months, this election will take many twists and many turns, polls will go up and polls will go down, there will be no shortage of gaffes and controversies that keep both campaigns busy and give the press something to write about. You may have heard I recently made my own unique contribution to that process."

So it's clear that he understands he has a weak message and needs to rewind, retool, reset, and find focus.  Perhaps his speechwriters hadn't had a chance to review the Gallop poll before his speech and perhaps he may adopt "Blame Bush" as his new theme. 

I'm not a real smart guy, but somthing tells me using "Blame Bush" again, three years (almost to the day) after the end of the Bush recession ended is not going to provide momentum he needs. 

[Conan71]

I'm not a real smart guy, but somthing tells me using "Blame Bush" again, three years (almost to the day) after the end of the Bush recession ended is not going to provide momentum he needs. 

I think it might work.  After all, these are the same people who believed someone without any sort of leadership experience was fit to lead the country at such a crucial juncture in US history. 

[Townsend]

I'd seize on that if I were President Obama.  Wouldn't you?  Lets see if he does. . .

Well he didn't in today's "reset" speech, though he did admonish himself a bit for making the comment about the private sector even though we all know that he, and even some of the poster on this forum believe his original words reflected his true belief and understanding.  Today he said:

"Over the next five months, this election will take many twists and many turns, polls will go up and polls will go down, there will be no shortage of gaffes and controversies that keep both campaigns busy and give the press something to write about. You may have heard I recently made my own unique contribution to that process."

So it's clear that he understands he has a weak message and needs to rewind, retool, reset, and find focus.  Perhaps his speechwriters hadn't had a chance to review the Gallop poll before his speech and perhaps he may adopt "Blame Bush" as his new theme. 

I'm not a real smart guy, but somthing tells me using "Blame Bush" again, three years (almost to the day) after the end of the Bush recession ended is not going to provide momentum he needs. 

I guess you missed my previous post.

[Hoss]

I guess you missed my previous post.

Gas?  Miss something?  Say it isn't so!

[Gaspar]

I guess you missed my previous post.

Nope, got it, just think it's sad that his defining achievement that resonates with the voters after 3 years is that he is not Bush.

Brilliant!

[Townsend]

Nope, got it, just think it's sad that his defining achievement that resonates with the voters after 3 years is that he is not Bush.

Brilliant!

Look everyone.  There's that perception thing.

[AquaMan]

Isn't anyone going to note the disastrous reduction in Federal, State and local employment as a factor in the both employment stats and the poor economy? I forecasted two years ago that if we were to follow the dictates of the Republican mantra of eliminating government "waste" by chopping jobs that this would happen. But did anyone listen? Noooooooo. Now we must suffer.

Seriously, a recession is usually lessened by increased federal, state and local employment efforts. Its a good way to pump money into the economy as a jump start till the next cycle begins. It was done under both Bushes and was effective. Unfortunately, it is being ignored this time in favor of T-party doctrine which chokes government while blood letting to get the bad demons out of the sick patient. It hdoesn't help that its an election year and the party out of office wants to make the one in office look powerless.

[guido911]

Actually you should be asking: "why are tax receipts up without a tax increase?"

Reaganomics at work.

Threadwinner. Shut it down.

[guido911]

Nope, got it, just think it's sad that his defining achievement that resonates with the voters after 3 years is that he is not Bush.

Brilliant!

Bush is running against Obama this year?

[Townsend]

Bush is running against Obama this year?

A quantity of his excretions left over the years have piled up in the FOX newsroom.  Those excretions are running against Obama this year and every year.  They will continue to do so as long as he holds office.

[guido911]

A quantity of his excretions left over the years have piled up in the FOX newsroom.  Those excretions are running against Obama this year and every year.  They will continue to do so as long as he holds office.

Okay. I'm all for drinking and posting. Problem is I am sober right now. Can you help me?   

[Conan71]

Isn't anyone going to note the disastrous reduction in Federal, State and local employment as a factor in the both employment stats and the poor economy? I forecasted two years ago that if we were to follow the dictates of the Republican mantra of eliminating government "waste" by chopping jobs that this would happen. But did anyone listen? Noooooooo. Now we must suffer.

Seriously, a recession is usually lessened by increased federal, state and local employment efforts. Its a good way to pump money into the economy as a jump start till the next cycle begins. It was done under both Bushes and was effective. Unfortunately, it is being ignored this time in favor of T-party doctrine which chokes government while blood letting to get the bad demons out of the sick patient. It hdoesn't help that its an election year and the party out of office wants to make the one in office look powerless.

So if Obama is such an astute leader, why did he not follow the "conventional wisdom" the Bushes used?   His first two years in office he had majorities in the House and Senate.  Obama simply put together a dumpster full of temporary projects and apparently never even spent the whole allotment for the "stimulus".  Yet, spending is still, by most accounts, 20% higher than prior to the recession yet government employment is lower?  Where is all the money going?

Secondly, shrinking local and state employment are the direct result of shrinking incomes and spending and is a far better indicator of the overall economy.  Most states can't spend to oblivion like the feds can. 

[Conan71]

A quantity of his excretions left over the years have piled up in the FOX newsroom.  Those excretions are running against Obama this year and every year.  They will continue to do so as long as he holds office.

I won the thread.  Quit it.