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[Teatownclown]

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[RecycleMichael]

To continually bash another's religion is such poor taste. I just wish you would realize that.

Please, oh please dear admin, delete this thread. 

[Teatownclown]

To continually bash another's religion is such poor taste. I just wish you would realize that.

Please, oh please dear admin, delete this thread. 

The article did not bash Mormons. It pointed out the results of a survey. But rather than allow mister sensitive and resident MP to again manipulate the admin. into censoring the thread, I cleared the link and the copy. You can google it if you are interested before this thread gets yanked over a personal vendetta.

[RecycleMichael]

Thank you mister Clown. It ain't personal.

[Gaspar]

The article did not bash Mormons. It pointed out the results of a survey. But rather than allow mister sensitive and resident MP to again manipulate the admin. into censoring the thread, I cleared the link and the copy. You can google it if you are interested before this thread gets yanked over a personal vendetta.

Clown is a fitting moniker.  

Anyone who ridicules a persons race, sexuality, or religion for the purpose of bolstering or weakening a political position is a fool.  The strength of our country is founded on the principal that all of us are equal in our freedom to participate in the political process without such prejudices as long as our beliefs do not infringe on the rights of others.

You spend all of your time railing against bigotry and intolerance, yet you are the only person who actively and freely displays those traits.  At times your level of animosity and hatred for others has gotten you barred from this forum and caused you to re-invent yourself and sneak back in.  Each time the admins are quick to forgive and reluctantly invite you back to the conversation.  Their tolerance as well as the tolerance of your fellow posters is eventually rewarded with the same poison.

It seems that the entropy that typically erodes the false facade you invent for yourself is again apparent, and devoid of any reasonable arguments to make, you start to show us your true nature in the hatred that motivates you.  You may claim to idolize cultural visionaries who preached peace & love, yet you do not adopt their principals.  You are at battle with yourself.  Your ego wants to be admired as a model of fairness, equality, and peace, yet the animal that lives inside of you is filled with hatred, spite, envy, and prejudice.

There have been times when I have used your effluvium as an example of the modern Liberal and/or progressive mindset, but that is unfair to others, and I am sorry for doing so.  

We don't want you to go away, but we do want you to work on what is broken in you.

[Teatownclown]

Clown is a fitting moniker.  

Anyone who ridicules a persons race, sexuality, or religion for the purpose of bolstering or weakening a political position is a fool.  The strength of our country is founded on the principal that all of us are equal in our freedom to participate in the political process without such prejudices as long as our beliefs do not infringe on the rights of others.

You spend all of your time railing against bigotry and intolerance, yet you are the only person who actively and freely displays those traits.  At times your level of animosity and hatred for others has gotten you barred from this forum and caused you to re-invent yourself and sneak back in.  Each time the admins are quick to forgive and reluctantly invite you back to the conversation.  Their tolerance as well as the tolerance of your fellow posters is eventually rewarded with the same poison.

It seems that the entropy that typically erodes the false facade you invent for yourself is again apparent, and devoid of any reasonable arguments to make, you start to show us your true nature in the hatred that motivates you.  You may claim to idolize cultural visionaries who preached peace & love, yet you do not adopt their principals.  You are at battle with yourself.  Your ego wants to be admired as a model of fairness, equality, and peace, yet the animal that lives inside of you is filled with hatred, spite, envy, and prejudice.

There have been times when I have used your effluvium as an example of the modern Liberal and/or progressive mindset, but that is unfair to others, and I am sorry for doing so.  

We don't want you to go away, but we do want you to work on what is broken in you.

You are wrong. It was a paste and copy of a survey.

Your personal attacks are unrelated. And the constant attack on women's rights makes you a hypocrite. No sooprise...

[Gaspar]

You are wrong. It was a paste and copy of a survey.

Your personal attacks are unrelated. And the constant attack on women's rights makes you a hypocrite. No sooprise...

Clown, If you think I am only referring to this thread you are mistaken. There is rarely a political thread where you do not choose to disintegrate into some form of name calling or bigotry.

[AquaMan]

Yet, he is not alone in doing so nor in fulfilling your criticisms. He is alone in being asked publicly to stop such behaviors. Perhaps because he is more focussed and successful in his efforts to wake people to reality. I personally think OK politics and culture are unredeemable. No hope for catching up with the outside world. But if he wants to joust at windmills, so be it. Consider his remarks carefully before dismissing them because of his style. There is no chance in hell that an atheist, agnostic, Jew, or Native American religious leader is going to be considered for president even if they have the best solutions for America's problems. That is powerful.

Why is religion is off limits in this political race for the white male? Where was your intelligent outrage at bringing up the presidents church and how it's non conforming style might have affected his leadership? But ruminations of how the Mormon church might exact influence is anti-religion? American's are increasing embracing conformity and hypocrisy. This forum is no outlier.

[Teatownclown]

Gaspar...you must disply where i have exhibited bigotry. Show examples. Put up.

[Gaspar]

Gaspar...you must disply where i have exhibited bigotry. Show examples. Put up.

It would be rather exhausting to go back and search for all the insults and pet words you have for various groups, so I'll tell you what I will do.  From now on, I will point it out as it happens and perhaps the knowledge of that will help you to think twice before belittling a group of people based on race, religion or other factors of heritage.

[Gaspar]

There is no chance in hell that an atheist, agnostic, Jew, or Native American religious leader is going to be considered for president even if they have the best solutions for America's problems. That is powerful.

I do not subscribe to that.  Not one bit.  Not for a second.  It was said that Kennedy could never be president because he was Catholic.  We've seen this play out before. When pundits run low on ammunition to criticize a candidate, the worst of them go for the lowest common denominator, to ridicule race, religion or heritage. We see it on both sides, and it is despicable. It is a remnant of a political and cultural weapon that should have been laid to rest decades ago, yet there are still those that want to revive it for their own advantage.  It is dangerous, because acting upon it gives it power. 

A couple of short generations ago, much of my family was lucky enough to escape with a tattoo and a very different outlook on prejudice, but many of them did not escape at all.  The Gaspars, the Gimples, and the Fleshers are survivors of what started as simple words about groups of people.  In a civilized society it was unthinkable that those simple prejudices could get out of hand, but they did.

There is no barrier to legal political participation in this country except for the ones we allow others to place upon us, and those can be overcome, and must be fought with conviction every time they arise.  For you to say "There is no chance in hell that an atheist, agnostic, Jew, or Native American religious leader is going to be considered for president" only perpetuates prejudice and sends the wrong message to our children.  By choosing to believe that you surrender to it!

[Conan71]

Yet, he is not alone in doing so nor in fulfilling your criticisms. He is alone in being asked publicly to stop such behaviors. Perhaps because he is more focussed and successful in his efforts to wake people to reality. I personally think OK politics and culture are unredeemable. No hope for catching up with the outside world. But if he wants to joust at windmills, so be it. Consider his remarks carefully before dismissing them because of his style. There is no chance in hell that an atheist, agnostic, Jew, or Native American religious leader is going to be considered for president even if they have the best solutions for America's problems. That is powerful.

Why is religion is off limits in this political race for the white male? Where was your intelligent outrage at bringing up the presidents church and how it's non conforming style might have affected his leadership? But ruminations of how the Mormon church might exact influence is anti-religion? American's are increasing embracing conformity and hypocrisy. This forum is no outlier.

Yet at some point I'm sure you were convinced a black man would never be president, weren't you?

[AquaMan]

Gaspar, thanks for putting me in the lowest common denominator.  I was chatting with a couple of little boys recently who were quite proud that they were of black and Native American ancestry. I told them my ancestors were Irish, English, Welsh and Cherokee. "What does that make you?" they asked. "A hairy old white guy." I replied.

There is talk of freedom, equality, lack of prejudice in America and there is reality. We codify the former, we live the latter. You tell me how a atheist Democrat gets elected president in America. How? Can you imagine the lust in the eyes of Fox and Friends?

When it comes to elections, everything is on the table and a lot more just under the table.

[AquaMan]

Yet at some point I'm sure you were convinced a black man would never be president, weren't you?

I suppose somewhere in my past but not in the last decade. Maybe I should amend it to be yeah, he can get elected but we'll make sure it appears he is a dismal failure so we can keep it from happening again!

Seriously, it was a nice jump from my father's generation but religion tops race. And i like your optimism, but no, America is not ready for a gay, an atheist or a Muslim unless Fox and the Republican party run one. They would have people jumping ship to be a part of that.

[Conan71]

I suppose somewhere in my past but not in the last decade. Maybe I should amend it to be yeah, he can get elected but we'll make sure it appears he is a dismal failure so we can keep it from happening again!

Seriously, it was a nice jump from my father's generation but religion tops race. And i like your optimism, but no, America is not ready for a gay, an atheist or a Muslim unless Fox and the Republican party run one. They would have people jumping ship to be a part of that.

Really I think the narrow-mindedness in the country is finally narrowing.  Look at how many more people approve of gay marriage than they did even 10 years ago and it's got nothing to do with the president's recent conversion.  There are even mainstream Christian churches who openly welcome gay people and don't try to fix their ghey.

Again, I'm from the human race first and foremost.  But since everyone else demands some sort of special tribal recognition I think I will too.  From now on I'm a Hetero-Caucasian-Welsh-American.