OFF THE CLIFF!

[Conan71]

WTH does Norquist think he is? To my knowledge, he's never had the balls to be an elected official.  Why do all these legislators feel beholden to this troll regardless of the carnage they leave behind?

[TulsaRufnex]

C'mon Fonzi, you can do it!

[Teatownclown]

HERE WE GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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STOCKS TUMBLE AFTER BOEHNER'S ANGRY PRESS CONFERENCE: Here's What You Need To Know

http://www.businessinsider.com/closing-bell-19-2012-12#ixzz2FXG4y6lL

They have 48 hours....then, it's off or the world ends!

[Teatownclown]

United States conservatives are a mess. Leaderless fools who can't take care of their responsibility to their country. It's really amazing how their poor abilities make for everyone's dismay. These people know nothing of progress. They are impotent.

[heironymouspasparagus]

We have to cut defense spending. We spend more than the next 18 countries combined. We are at peace (relatively). I can see increased spending during war, but why can't we consider decreased spending when we are not at war?

Because we didn't listen to President Eisenhower.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Wouldn't do a lick of good. . .and it's not "my guys" it's all of them!

But mostly your guys...starting in 1981.

[heironymouspasparagus]

If by hit the hardest you mean they will have to pay a little more? Because being hard hit when it comes to the government taking property from someone is relative. Still, does it really matter how they are affected? In the words of heiron, too bad. If they don't like it, they can pack up and leave. I'm sure France would love to have those folks move on in.

Taxes are not supposed to be pain free or painFUL for people. It's supposed to pay for things our government is supposed to provide.

Bring on the cliff right now please.

Using the $8750 example, if we go back to year 2000 tax rates compared to 2011, the increase is $37 per month.  5% increase. 

Versus not going over the cliff and the top bracket going up 3%, so for someone making $300,000, the tax will go up $125 a month.  On $50,000 more income (than the $250,000 spoken of as the increase threshold). 

Wonder who is gonna feel it hardest...the one whose taxes go up an $125 per month on the extra $50,000 income, or the one paying $37 extra per month on $8750 total income...??  Yeah, let's bring that cliff on...let's show those poor people...  that will teach them not to make hundreds of thousands per year!

[shadows]

United States conservatives are a mess. Leaderless fools who can't take care of their responsibility to their country. It's really amazing how their poor abilities make for everyone's dismay. These people know nothing of progress. They are impotent.

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The US has got to make a choice whether to start the printing presses turning out trillions of dollars in unsupported paper money, throwing all caution to the winds and take a chance of the banks closing, stock market closing, and those countries we depend on for merchandise, demanding payment in gold.

Or we start a campaign convincing our debtors the dollars will be keepsake trophies in time like the currency printed by the south in the war of 1860.

The bank deposits are secured by the same unsupported paper currency as soon as the ink is dry on it.   And we are talking about falling off a cliff??  What is the solution??   Is this why the Maya's are being called home??

[Teatownclown]

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The US has got to make a choice whether to start the printing presses turning out trillions of dollars in unsupported paper money, throwing all caution to the winds and take a chance of the banks closing, stock market closing, and those countries we depend on for merchandise, demanding payment in gold.

Or we start a campaign convincing our debtors the dollars will be keepsake trophies in time like the currency printed by the south in the war of 1860.

The bank deposits are secured by the same unsupported paper currency as soon as the ink is dry on it.   And we are talking about falling off a cliff??  What is the solution??   Is this why the Maya's are being called home??

You discount the underlying assets of the USA way too much.

And what happens when we achieve fusion in 15 years? Huge game changer.

You can't foresee the future. And yes, print more money. We need to move the can economy forward.

Read the first post of this thread. LD has it right!

[Gaspar]

You discount the underlying assets of the USA way too much. We should mortgage them, right?

And what happens when we achieve fusion in 15 years? Huge game changer. Something for nothing?  Still can't get past the "energy necessary" argument.  Perhaps we should just "go for broke" with everything since we will cure cancer, live forever, and food and energy will be free.

You can't foresee the future. ^^ Isn't that what that was?. . .never mind.  And yes, print more money. We need to move the can economy forward. That is stealing from the poor, and taking advantage of the fact that most of them won't understand how or why.

Read the first post of this thread. LD has it right!

Boy am I glad you have it figured out.

[Teatownclown]

Proof that Gaspar knows nothing about economics. THIS IS NOT HOME EC. To compare the US deficit to home economics is a jump in logic and theory.

What does the fact that we all die have to do with the continuity of the US economy?

Stealing from the poor? Really? Not giving a hand up to our citizens unable to rise above poverty because you feel it is sapping our resources shows what's really wrong with our political mindset.

Off the cliff! Now POTUS OBAMA will have real power and authentic leverage to change the tax code. The GOP/Teabaggers have set their own trap. This is classic.

[Gaspar]

Off the cliff! Now POTUS OBAMA will have real power and authentic leverage to change the tax code. The GOP/Teabaggers have set their own trap. This is classic.

Power?  Is that what this is about?

Ok, now I get it.

BTW, the president leaves for Hawaii today.

I'm willing to bet that the Senate comes up with another delay tactic or the president issues an executive order delaying "the cliff."  But, of course I already predicted that.

If it's a POWERFUL RULER you seek, I fear you won't find him in this one.  

[Townsend]

Steve Inskeep tweet:

After House failed to pass plan that wasn't likely to become law anyway, House GOP leader Cantor urges Senate to "get serious"

[Townsend]

Boehner: 'We'll Continue To Work' On Avoiding Fiscal Cliff

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/12/21/167784430/coming-up-boehner-news-conference?ft=1&f=1001&sc=tw&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

On this morning after he couldn't get fellow Republicans to support his "Plan B" for avoiding the year end "fiscal cliff" of automatic tax increases and spending cuts, House Speaker John Boehner took some questions from reporters.


— Update at 10:12 a.m. ET. House Will Come Back "If We're Needed":

Asked about the recess the House is going on, Boehner says lawmakers "will come back if we're needed" during the Christmas break.

The news conference ended moments later.

— Update at 10:08 a.m. ET. He And The President Laid Out Their "Bottom Lines":

Boehner says that on Monday "I told the president, 'these are my bottom lines' " [reportedly, $1 trillion in new revenues and $1 trillion in spending cuts]. Obama, he says, responded that the administration's bottom lines were $1.3 trillion in revenue (tax) increases and $850 billion in spending cuts.

— Update at 10:04 a.m. ET. "We Only Run The House":

Saying that "we only run the House, Democrats continue to run Washington," Boehner lays the burden of responsibility for avoiding year-end tax increases and automatic spending cuts on the other party. But, he adds, "we'll continue to work with our colleagues in the House and the Senate."

[Teatownclown]

Power?  Is that what this is about?

Ok, now I get it.

BTW, the president leaves for Hawaii today.

I'm willing to bet that the Senate comes up with another delay tactic or the president issues an executive order delaying "the cliff."  But, of course I already predicted that.

If it's a POWERFUL RULER you seek, I fear you won't find him in this one.  

You, along with the impotent conservatives, must not understand how this works after Dec. 31st. It's great! It's then at that time the heroes come forward to lower taxes. Problem is Obama, the almighty, will only lower those brackets who report less than 250k income. Then there's the obstinate children who will stop everything to get their way. Should be fun!!! "No, we're not cutting taxes on just the middle class!" Send lawyers, guns, and money....the sh!tz about to hit da fan.

Gaspar, who won the election? http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/12/21/1370961/boehner-conservative-republicans-who-opposed-plan-b-are-drowning-the-country/ I guess the Baggers beat themselves?