The GOP war on voting

[nathanm]

Yep, and I'm trying to swing it away from the left but believe it or not, not to the extreme right.  Just more right than the present administration and Senate.  I'll even agree that some of the US House is a bit kooky but given a choice, I'll still lean right rather than left.  It's called damage control.

And this is why we'll never agree on much. Obama is only left in the sense that most of the right has gone crazy off the deep end. Obama's policies have been well to the right of Clinton's and postwar norms, except as regards to policies taken in direct response to the financial crisis which was largely caused by Clinton going too far with the deregulation. I guess you thought Nixon was a pinko commie?

I guess what flabbergasts me is that you seem to think the right has the answers when it was they who put us in the toilet in the first place. Everyone was in agreement on that in 2008, but collective amnesia seems to have set in.

[Red Arrow]

I guess you thought Nixon was a pinko commie?

Not compared to the Democratic party opposition.

I guess what flabbergasts me is that you seem to think the right has the answers when it was they who put us in the toilet in the first place. Everyone was The majority of voters participating in the election were in agreement on that in 2008, but collective amnesia seems to have set in.

Well flabbergast away.  If you think that the left had nothing to do with our situation, you need to look again.

Edit: forgot a "were"

[Red Arrow]

It doesn't mean I can or can't disagree with making possession of a photo ID a requirement to vote, but it does mean I don't get a say, beyond whatever meager persuasive powers I may have, absent moving there.

OK

OK. I do.

Let's leave it at that.

I'm not sure what liquor stores have to do with it. Oklahoma's asinine liquor controls seem irrelevant.

As I remember from high school history, people were encouraged to vote, with a particular candidate in mind, by being offered free alcoholic beverages.  I believe it was before Oklahoma was even a state.

My aversion is that it is an unnecessary abridgement of one of the most fundamental rights we have in our system of government.

We will forever disagree on that.

[nathanm]

Well flabbergast away.  If you think that the left had nothing to do with our situation, you need to look again.

No, pretty much everyone, including McCain repudiated most Bush-era policies. I'm not sure how the left put us where we are, other than Clinton's deregulatory streak, which isn't even a leftist policy. Unless you want to argue that laws passed by Congress between 2007 and 2008 and not vetoed by Bush are what caused the crisis. That would be a pretty silly argument since things began to fall apart in 2007, before any new laws would have had time to have any real effect, but you're more than welcome to try to convince me otherwise.

Regarding voter ID, do you disagree that it's an abridgement at all, or just disagree about the necessity? Or are you saying that you don't think it's one of the most fundamental rights we have?

[Conan71]

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=19265.msg245337#msg245337

"The last time I voted, an elderly couple were ahead of me in line.  The husband had his driver's license, but the wife did not.  She was not permitted to cast a ballot, not even a provisional ballot, despite the fact that she was personally known by one of the poll workers who could vouch for her identity.  This law is truly asinine."

Actually Ed, I thought prior to SQ 746 you were supposed to show your voter ID card when you went to the polls but it was seldom enforced by poll workers.  I've carried a current one in my wallet ever since I was 18 and was asked for it sporadically.

[Hoss]

Actually Ed, I thought prior to SQ 746 you were supposed to show your voter ID card when you went to the polls but it was seldom enforced by poll workers.  I've carried a current one in my wallet ever since I was 18 and was asked for it sporadically.

Wish they'd make them a little smaller however; mine gets all crumpled up from riding around in it since the size is not quite right to fit in my wallet.

[Conan71]

Wish they'd make them a little smaller however; mine gets all crumpled up from riding around in it since the size is not quite right to fit in my wallet.

I just looked- same size as a credit card, only doesn't have rounded corners.

[Hoss]

I just looked- same size as a credit card, only doesn't have rounded corners.

Mine's actually a little taller..interesting, I just got a new one recently.  Maybe I can trim it down.  I'd laminate it but most officials frown on that (should have heard the crap I got for laminating my SS card back after I graduated high school).

[Red Arrow]

Regarding voter ID, do you disagree that it's an abridgement at all, or just disagree about the necessity?

yES

[nathanm]

yES

You don't think that having one's rights subject to the possession of a particular piece of paper or whatever in any way abridges those rights so encumbered and think that the ID requirement is necessary, for whatever definition of necessary you use. Ok. Good to know. In my view necessity is irrelevant if you really believe the first.

[Red Arrow]

You don't think that having one's rights subject to the possession of a particular piece of paper or whatever in any way abridges those rights so encumbered and think that the ID requirement is necessary, for whatever definition of necessary you use. Ok. Good to know. In my view necessity is irrelevant if you really believe the first.

You are a programmer.  You know the difference between "and" and "or".

[nathanm]

You are a programmer.  You know the difference between "and" and "or".

When you answered "yes," you indicated that both conditions were true and that the or was therefore mistaken. At least by my reading. Last I checked, you weren't a computer, so I shouldn't need to interrogate you further to determine which statement was true or if both were true.

[AquaMan]

In case no one has said it yet, Nathan and RA, ......"You guys are ridiculous!". And I mean that in the most respectful way.

[Conan71]

Why isn't someone needing a car or needing to pay to take public transit to the polls considered a poll tax?  Won't that be the next argument in allowing anyone to simply vote from home?  Whoops, wait, then you would probably need to go to the expense of owning a computer or phone with a data plan or have to be inconvenienced with buying postage to do it by mail.

[Teatownclown]

Crownan, who cares the method. Why do you hate giving everyone their constitutional right to vote?

I have asked you time and again to provide the details of voter fraud you seem to be hell bent on stopping.

You can't....so, play fair.