The GOP war on voting

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Evidence would be nice, RA.

When you only investigate the ones who get caught, of course the numbers will be small.

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  RED ARROW: " they're willing to change the rules we've been playing under get anyone with a pulse, regardless of citizenship, to the polls for the sole purpose of riggin' the election. "

Listen. That is not happening! NO PROOF. IT'S A LIE.

Don't be part of the liars club, Arrow.

You're right, I forgot the dead people and pets.

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You're kidding, right?  Don't you know that lib'ruls are the DEBBIL?!

And they can't spell either.  (Unless you are claiming to be something else.)

[Conan71]

No, "this or that" evaluates true in the situation that either or both are true in the computer world. "this and that" is only true if both are true. "this nor that" is true only if both are false (aka, "not (this or that)" in most languages, which will compile with a nor or a negated or depending on what sort of CPU you're compiling for).

JFC! You went high geek on that one!

[Conan71]

Sh!T I was WRONG!... it's .0003% ( three times what I thought ). http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/case_studies_by_state/

"None of these problems could have been resolved by requiring photo ID at the polls."

It's so obvious what's going on here. America's bigots want to win this election so bad, they're willing to change the rules we've been playing under  for the sole purpose of riggin' the election.

The cover story of Business Week this week is on King Karl and his billion dollar reach to get total control of our government by the (new) Republicans. Think about that. Crownan, is that why you left the party?

That's some real scholarly, non-partisan stuff you got there.  Did Soros fund that one too?

Oh Hell, Brennan!  That's definitely non-partisan sort of like the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Why are you so afraid of people having to prove their eligibility to vote?

[nathanm]

Why are you so afraid of people having to prove their eligibility to vote?

Why do you think the right to vote hinges on your possession of a piece of paper? Next, will we need to have ID to exercise the right to free speech?

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Why do you think the right to vote hinges on your possession of a piece of paper? Next, will we need to have ID to exercise the right to free speech?

It should hinge on your possession of a voter registration card.  It should be consistent across the country.  It should, most of all be free.

You shouldn't have to show a photo ID that you pay for in order to assert that the voter ID card you have is actually you.  If that's the case, then make ALL voter ID cards with photos and make them free of charge.  Problem solved.

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JFC! You went high geek on that one!

Consider it a free learning experience presented by Nathan or me.

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It should hinge on your possession of a voter registration card.  It should be consistent across the country.  It should, most of all be free.
You shouldn't have to show a photo ID that you pay for in order to assert that the voter ID card you have is actually you.  If that's the case, then make ALL voter ID cards with photos and make them free of charge.  Problem solved.

Are you sure you haven't been watching FOX News?  This post is actually reasonable.

[Hoss]

Are you sure you haven't been watching FOX News?  This post is actually reasonable.

No.  I think most people's claim and concern (as is mine) is that some states are making a requirement to use a paid-for photo id to assert that you are the person on the registration card is asinine.  That essentially equates to 'pay to vote', because you're using an instrument that you had to pay for (whether it's a state issued DL or ID) to prove that you are the person on the voter registration card.  That's ALWAYS been my take.  I don't mind passing my voter reg card; I've had to do it before the law was even enacted.  States forcing you to pony up ID that you spend money on, however, shouldn't happen.  Make the states issue photo IDs as voter registrations for no charge, and you've solved the problem.

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No.  I think most people's claim and concern (as is mine) is ...

I have agreed that any required ID to vote needs to be free.

At least one poster here thinks that the requirement of any ID is an infringement on a voter's rights.

[nathanm]

It should hinge on your possession of a voter registration card.

Possession as in having been properly registered, or as in having it on your person and producing it upon request?

You shouldn't have to show a photo ID that you pay for in order to assert that the voter ID card you have is actually you.  If that's the case, then make ALL voter ID cards with photos and make them free of charge.  Problem solved.

This would at least not be blatantly discriminatory, although it is still mildly offensive to the concept of freedom and self determination.

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although it is still mildly offensive to the concept of freedom and self determination.

We all know by now that it is to you.  Some of us obviously disagree.

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That's some real scholarly, non-partisan stuff you got there.  Did Soros fund that one too?

Oh Hell, Brennan!  That's definitely non-partisan sort of like the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Why are you so afraid of people having to prove their eligibility to vote?

I'm not afraid. Article 2 of the VRA prohibits this from happening. If it does, another election could be determined by SCOTUS!
You want to be shamed on again?

Why the slam on the SPLC? And do you think SOROS is worse that KOCHS?

[Conan71]

No.  I think most people's claim and concern (as is mine) is that some states are making a requirement to use a paid-for photo id to assert that you are the person on the registration card is asinine.  That essentially equates to 'pay to vote', because you're using an instrument that you had to pay for (whether it's a state issued DL or ID) to prove that you are the person on the voter registration card.  That's ALWAYS been my take.  I don't mind passing my voter reg card; I've had to do it before the law was even enacted.  States forcing you to pony up ID that you spend money on, however, shouldn't happen.  Make the states issue photo IDs as voter registrations for no charge, and you've solved the problem.

Except you need a photo ID for many other reasons, voting being a small portion of it:

Flying, bank transactions, using a credit or debit card (that's pretty inconsistent), cashing a personal or third party check, opening a bank account, getting government assistance, and many other things I'm not even considering.

And, I agree, make the ID's free if you are going to require them for ANY government-related function