Freedom of information

[patric]

This.  For sure.
Not difficult to do when you find sentences like this:

I concede to that.
It seems to be a reference to bureaucrats who dont feel they should do their job as prescribed by law, which in this case might be a clerk and treasurer using illegal fees to discourage people from obtaining information they have a right to.

[Townsend]

It seems to be a reference to bureaucrats who dont feel they should do their job as prescribed by law, which in this case might be a clerk and treasurer using illegal fees to discourage people from obtaining information they have a right to.

We discourage people from voting.  Why would we want to inform?  More might vote.

[shadows]

One ponders on how the dreams of the lawmakers can be diverted to such nonsense as displayed by posters on public forms in order to discredit their message.  Then it can all be reduced to our ignorance as reflected by the final school testing.   

[Townsend]

One ponders on how the dreams of the lawmakers can be diverted to such nonsense as displayed by posters on public forms in order to discredit their message.  Then it can all be reduced to our ignorance as reflected by the final school testing.   

Keep trying.  Start with "I".

[shadows]

Have you ever sought information that is being withheld?

(One) (pronoun) Rule 7 MWWP dictionary.     

[Townsend]

Have you ever sought information that is being withheld?

Sure.  From government, instructors, business partners, clients, girls...

What's one's point?

[shadows]

Only one who has had need for information take the time to request such information and pursue the right under law understands how complicated it becomes when posters want to play games with citizens rights.  This includes the request to examine governmental records under the open records act.
 

[Townsend]

when posters want to play games with citizens rights. 

What games citizen?

[shadows]

It is grown, educated, citizens that are presented with a forum to exercise their right to criticize the actions of the republic form of government (Was never intended to be a democratic form) to alarm the populists they are without rights.  It seems there are among us are those who would post inflammatory remarks seeking to flame these populists in order to get the forum removed.     

[Townsend]

It is grown, educated, citizens that are presented with a forum to exercise their right to criticize the actions of the republic form of government (Was never intended to be a democratic form) to alarm the populists they are without rights.  It seems there are among us are those who would post inflammatory remarks seeking to flame these populists in order to get the forum removed.     

Someone take this one.  I've gotta run.

[nathanm]

Someone take this one.  I've gotta run.

I would, but the entire conversation has been unintelligible all day.

[Hoss]

Someone take this one.  I've gotta run.

Sure.  Forums don't observe the First Amendment.  As a multiple forum owner I can remove any posts I see fit and don't have to worry about repercussions from knuckleheads who post inflammatory crap.  If you post slanderous or libelous information, I'm liable for that legally.  I can remove it.  Nothing legally you can do.

If you don't like the for(u)m you are presented with here, feel free to create your own where you can spew on and on about pink gas and complain about the new trash service and floodplain management.  Then, if people make reasoned, responsible comments to your posts, you can remove them as 'out of the norm'.  Or something like that.

[RecycleMichael]

I have no idea of what information shadows wants. If it is some special report that must be custom-generated, he should expect some resistance or reasonable charge. If it is some document that is given out to anybody else, he (and the Tulsa World and all of us) should be able to get it easily and free. I have rarely had any trouble getting any City of Tulsa document I need and I have got boxes and boxes of them.

I go to public meetings (was at city hall today), download and printed all the supporting documents, and have already looked at the meeting agendas for City council sub-committee meetings and general meeting this Thursday. Almost every topic has links to backup documentation. My mother and my wife are ex-city hall reporters and I also know the public information laws well. The city and the county are good examples of transparency in my opinion.

I think the problem lies in communication. The city is very transparent if you can communicate what you want and are willing to work within the reasonable restraints of the system. The poster shadows is notorious for being difficult in communicating his message here. Why would we expect anything is different there.

Communication is a two way street and he is probably is parked on the sidewalk.

[nathanm]

Communication is a two way street and he is probably is parked on the sidewalk.

I would have expected the living room (or the lobby, as the case may be).

[shadows]

RM: Any information I have requested has been by the legal request form.  I have them available and have help others with their use.  There has been no problem gaining access to the information if it is presented in person with a copy of the statue.  It is the governmental employees who are responsible to relay the information to inform the citizen. The law was enacted in order that we maintain a “government of the people” not a government of bureaucrats.    You may be next in line for a request.