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[Townsend]

The socially conservative GOP side of the coin would be "If they're female, they best stay home and cook me dinner."

[guido911]

The socially conservative GOP side of the coin would be "If they're female, they best stay home and cook me dinner."

Hey T, need a lift to the Chick Fil-A tomorrow over by us for tomorrow's protest? I can drop you off on my way to Jackie Cooper..

[guido911]

Someone's 85 year old Catholic grandmother who doesn't believe two men or women should marry is whom I'm referring to.  Would you consider her to be a bigot or intolerant?

She may only be a typical white person, doncha know...

[Townsend]

Hey T, need a lift to the Chick Fil-A tomorrow over by us for tomorrow's protest? I can drop you off on my way to Jackie Cooper..

That's the thing.  You assert that someone who's not a social conservative is gay?  That shows your scary closed thought process.

It always surprises me when someone with intellect does that.

[DolfanBob]

I like the spin. A guy makes an intolerant statement. ("If you support gay marriage, you shake your fist at God" and "invite God's judgement on our nation"), but if anyone says anything different, they are the intolerant one.

Nice circular logic.

Look at what he said. It is just as clear as the Westboro Baptist Church posters.

Hey now. Fred Phelps is on to something...... Or is it on something? I never quite get that right.

[guido911]

That's the thing.  You assert that someone who's not a social conservative is gay?  That shows your scary closed thought process.

It always surprises me when someone with intellect does that.

No one said you were gay or even suggested it. I said, as I wrote earlier to Nate, go out and show your support for their cause against Chick Fil-A. It's easy to bomb throw from the sidelines, but when it comes to being around "those" people, you get all offended. That's what is scary.

I drove to CHick Fil-A to show support for their first amendment rights. Not because I am some gay bashing homophobe.

[Townsend]

No one said you were gay or even suggested it. I said, as I wrote earlier to Nate, go out and show your support for their cause against Chick Fil-A. It's easy to bomb throw from the sidelines, but when it comes to being around "those" people, you get all offended. That's what is scary.

I drove to CHick Fil-A to show support for their first amendment rights. Not because I am some gay bashing homophobe.

I have no idea where you get your thought process.  I've not said anything about this.

You're feeling like arguing with someone?  I'll pass.  This stupid smile is not worth my time.

[guido911]

So you believe only the liberals have positions like that?  That's the problem?

Conservatives never think they are suffering from intolerance, hatred, or a phobia?

You and I will disagree about the old lady.

I guess I misunderstood that post of yours, as well as the "go buy some processed chicken parts" comment. And no, I am way too busy to argue about how intolerant and bigoted a private company is based on one person speaking his mind today. 

[Townsend]

I guess I misunderstood that post of yours, as well as the "go buy some processed chicken parts" comment. And no, I am way too busy to argue about how intolerant and bigoted a private company is based on one person speaking his mind today. 

I was pointing out that everyone, both sides of each coin, bitches.  Not just liberals and not just conservatives.

Fast food chicken tends to be processed chicken parts.

[Conan71]

You and I will disagree about the old lady.

Why is it if she disagrees with the concept of gay marriage or even homosexuality it's a character flaw and not a matter of disagreement?  I'm pretty sure if I had gone to my grandmother when I was younger and told her I was gay she would have told me she was disappointed with that, but she would not have treated me any different because of it.  Her being disappointed or disagreeing with that lifestyle is hardly the result of bigotry.

That's the whole point I'm trying to get across:  someone who supports Klan ideals or is a Klan member or who vandalizes property with racial, ethnic or homophobic slurs obviously has a character issue when it comes to being a bigot or intolerant.  Or someone protesting something they don't agree with- i.e. the Westies and their blatant hate speech against homosexuals, or even the people protesting Dan Cathy's right to free speech on the premises of his business (no matter how mis-guided one may think it is as a business principal).

I don't buy that it's a character flaw for someone to believe gay marriage is wrong unless they are being militant about it and resorting to inflammatory language, harassment, or even engaging in physical harm.  Especially if it's someone who grew up with a religion which does not recognize gay marriage and most all their life the societal norm has been traditional marriage.  I honestly don't recall this being much of a political or societal issue until the last 15-20 years.  That's what many of our senior citizens were brought up with.  You can't simply start calling them bigots and intolerant because they don't approve of same sex marriage when, for most of their life, marriage has been between man and woman.

[guido911]

I don't buy that it's a character flaw for someone to believe gay marriage is wrong unless they are being militant about it and resorting to inflammatory language, harassment, or even engaging in physical harm.  Especially if it's someone who grew up with a religion which does not recognize gay marriage and most all their life the societal norm has been traditional marriage.  I honestly don't recall this being much of a political or societal issue until the last 15-20 years.  That's what many of our senior citizens were brought up with.  You can't simply start calling them bigots and intolerant because they don't approve of same sex marriage when, for most of their life, marriage has been between man and woman.

I agree wholeheartedly with that. It's no secret I'm Roman Catholic, but I do not wear all of their tenets on my sleeve. Whatever the church's position is on SSM, I am not on board. In my career I have represented homosexuals and could not have cared ANY less about it--except when they got fired for being so.

As for this "kiss in" protest, I personally think it is as dumbassed as can be as a means of protest (I'm sure the traditional marriage folks will be swayed by that message), but if it makes them feel better have at it.

But queue up the 70s porn music for the hot blonde chicks. I'm kidding, just watched Grumpy Old Men the other day.

[Townsend]

Why is it if she disagrees with the concept of gay marriage or even homosexuality it's a character flaw and not a matter of disagreement?  I'm pretty sure if I had gone to my grandmother when I was younger and told her I was gay she would have told me she was disappointed with that, but she would not have treated me any different because of it.  Her being disappointed or disagreeing with that lifestyle is hardly the result of bigotry.

Why would she disagree with the concept of gay marriage if she isn't intolerant of homosexuality in some way?

That's the whole point I'm trying to get across:  someone who supports Klan ideals or is a Klan member or who vandalizes property with racial, ethnic or homophobic slurs obviously has a character issue when it comes to being a bigot or intolerant.  Or someone protesting something they don't agree with- i.e. the Westies and their blatant hate speech against homosexuals, or even the people protesting Dan Cathy's right to free speech on the premises of his business (no matter how mis-guided one may think it is as a business principal).

There were over-reactions on both sides of that fence.  It eventually got all freaky when a talk show host took it upon himself to call out the hoards.

I don't buy that it's a character flaw for someone to believe gay marriage is wrong unless they are being militant about it and resorting to inflammatory language, harassment, or even engaging in physical harm.  Especially if it's someone who grew up with a religion which does not recognize gay marriage and most all their life the societal norm has been traditional marriage.  I honestly don't recall this being much of a political or societal issue until the last 15-20 years.  That's what many of our senior citizens were brought up with.  You can't simply start calling them bigots and intolerant because they don't approve of same sex marriage when, for most of their life, marriage has been between man and woman.

So there's a level at which it stops being okay and then you can bump it up into a level of hate?  A sort of maximum strength "disagree level"?  Above that it's intolerance and bigotry?

[Conan71]

It would be rather hard to call the Catholic diocese in Tulsa homophobic since they operate the St. Joseph's Residence for HIV/AIDS patients.

[guido911]

It would be rather hard to call the Catholic diocese in Tulsa homophobic since they operate the St. Joseph's Residence for HIV/AIDS patients.

It provides care of AIDS patients that contracted the disease for accidental needle sticks and tainted blood transfusions....

[DolfanBob]

What is the expected result of the same sex kiss day? And what are the hours? And how does this hurt the restaurants?
Cause I know what yesterday was meant to do, and it looks like it worked. Except I believe the staff should get some kind of bonus putting up with all that madness.