Romney Causes Cancer

[AquaMan]

Gas, those involved with fabricating the Swiftboating have fessed up. Its past history. You keep thinking that your guys are above the fray and besieged by evil. It suits your politics but has no basis in reality. Glad to have gotten your juices flowing this morning.

You could learn a lot by simply reading and listening to the lyrics of "Sweet Dreams" by the Eurythmics.

[Townsend]

You could learn a lot by simply reading and listening to the lyrics of "Sweet Dreams" by the Eurythmics.

Sweet dreams are made of these
Who am I to disagree?
Travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something

Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused

Sweet dreams are made of these
Who am I to disagree?
Travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something

Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused

I wanna use you and abuse you
I wanna know what's inside you
Movin' on, movin' on, movin' on
Movin' on, movin' on, movin' on, movin' on

Sweet dreams are made of these
Who am I to disagree?
Travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something

Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused

I'm gonna use you and abuse you
I'm gonna know what's inside
Gonna use you and abuse you
I'm gonna know what's inside you

[AquaMan]

Hold your head up,
Movin' on

Hold your head up,
Movin' on.

Thanks. Simple lyrics but meaningful when attached to the melody.

[Townsend]

Hold your head up,
Movin' on

Hold your head up,
Movin' on.

Thanks. Simple lyrics but meaningful when attached to the melody.

I'm more of a Manson fan.

[heironymouspasparagus]

AM and Gas exchange;

Were you this upset when the lies about Kerry and the Swiftboating were paid for, fabricated and spread as truth?
Why?  There were as many who claimed that Kerry's service, and medals were "exaggerated" as there were that said he deserved them.  The other captains, his commander, and the doctor that treated him for his injury, as well as his own crew members were part of the attack against him.  They were not fabricating dates and times, or attempting to show that he killed someone.


It is amazing how Gas can put stuff out like this with a seemingly straight face.  There is so much more than adequate information regarding this that he is either not doing ANY research, or is intentionally lying.

As fro the "doctor who treated him" - well that guy is named Louis Leston.  The actual name on the report, signed and delivered by the guy who actually treated the wound was J. C. Carreon.  Where was Leston?  And what was he really doing?

As for the Bronze Star incident - well two of the "Swift Boaters" claim that there was no hostile fire during the incident.  Despite the FACT that one of those was seriously wounded by this "no hostile fire" (concussion) and the other who left the scene before it was over to accompany the wounded.  Sounds like a dereliction of duty or desertion in the face of the enemy by one of those lying about Kerry....

The other boat commander (Don Droz) told his wife the same story that Kerry tells.  (He was KIA later.)

Jim Rassmann, the Special Forces captain Kerry rescued, wrote, "Machine-gun fire erupted from both banks of the river. ... When I surfaced, all the Swift boats had left, and I was alone taking fire from both banks. To avoid the incoming fire, I repeatedly swam under water."

Jim Russell, the Psychological Operations Officer of the unit, who was on PCF-43, wrote "All the time we were taking small arms fire from the beach... Anyone who doesn't think that we were being fired upon must have been on a different river."


Why do you keep repeating the lies about that??  (Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here....)

[Gaspar]

AM and Gas exchange;

Were you this upset when the lies about Kerry and the Swiftboating were paid for, fabricated and spread as truth?
Why?  There were as many who claimed that Kerry's service, and medals were "exaggerated" as there were that said he deserved them.  The other captains, his commander, and the doctor that treated him for his injury, as well as his own crew members were part of the attack against him.  They were not fabricating dates and times, or attempting to show that he killed someone.


It is amazing how Gas can put stuff out like this with a seemingly straight face.  There is so much more than adequate information regarding this that he is either not doing ANY research, or is intentionally lying.

As fro the "doctor who treated him" - well that guy is named Louis Leston.  The actual name on the report, signed and delivered by the guy who actually treated the wound was J. C. Carreon.  Where was Leston?  And what was he really doing?

As for the Bronze Star incident - well two of the "Swift Boaters" claim that there was no hostile fire during the incident.  Despite the FACT that one of those was seriously wounded by this "no hostile fire" (concussion) and the other who left the scene before it was over to accompany the wounded.  Sounds like a dereliction of duty or desertion in the face of the enemy by one of those lying about Kerry....

The other boat commander (Don Droz) told his wife the same story that Kerry tells.  (He was KIA later.)

Jim Rassmann, the Special Forces captain Kerry rescued, wrote, "Machine-gun fire erupted from both banks of the river. ... When I surfaced, all the Swift boats had left, and I was alone taking fire from both banks. To avoid the incoming fire, I repeatedly swam under water."

Jim Russell, the Psychological Operations Officer of the unit, who was on PCF-43, wrote "All the time we were taking small arms fire from the beach... Anyone who doesn't think that we were being fired upon must have been on a different river."


Why do you keep repeating the lies about that??  (Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here....)

Perhaps that is a good example to compare by.  So lets compare.

The Swiftboat folks, some composed of other captains, some of people who served with him, and some probably operatives for the Koch brothers.  Weave this story about Kerry being undeserving of his combat decorations.  On the other side of the story are several who provide facts and a timeline that supports his story and refute the attack.  It's damaging to his campaign, but at the end of the day his supporters have few doubts that he is in the right.  Both sides to this day still claim their side is right.

Fast forward.  The Obama Campaign finds a guy to claim that Mitt Romney caused his wife's death. Several months later, Obama's super PAC has this guy film an ad.  The only true part of the story is that Joe's wife died of cancer.  It's not a case of he-said-she-said.  The facts and the timeline are the facts and the timeline.  Romney left in 1999.  Joe was laid off in 2001.  Joe's Wife was still working and insured until 2003.  She was diagnosed and passed away in 2006.  You can't connect the dots because they are on different pieces of paper!

It's like blaming the 2008 recession on Rafael Ruiz Perdigones and Antonio Romero Monge because their 1994 hit "Macarena" failed to make platinum.

[Teatownclown]

Bain was started with blood money. Not good. Let's see them lie around this too.

http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/11656-blood-money-helped-start-bain-capital

[DolfanBob]

I'm more of a Manson fan.

Charles or Marilyn?

[erfalf]

Back to the main issue of the thread.

Obviously the premise of the ad is pretty ridiculous. This is not the first this has happened. However, the interesting thing to me is that this guy Joe Soptic has now appeared in ads for the Obama campaign and for the super PAC. It even appears that both ads may have been filmed at the same time. I don't know the specifics of the rules with super PACs but I was under the impression that the campaigns could have nothing to do with the PACs.

And instead of throwing the swift boating what not in there, why not compare what Romney has done to Obama? Apples to apples.

It is quit comical to see team Obama try to pick away at what appears on the outside to be a pretty straight laced candidate like Romney. It's like they decided that they can't find any skeletons so they will just create some. For someone who claimed to be above board (Obama) he has truly been trolling the swamp lands this time around. To date, Romney has been pretty respectable in this regard.

[RecycleMichael]

To date, Romney has been pretty respectable in this regard.

Santorum, Gingrich and Perry would disagree with you. Romney was ruthless during the primaries.

[erfalf]

And in regards to taking Obama out of context in the "you didn't build that" bit. I still think it is not entirely out of context. You all know how individual responsibility is something that resonates with Republican voters, and Obama's speech in my opinion was trying to make the point that nothing is possible without government. I believe it is the other way around, government does not exist without the people. So while it may have been out of context in some of you all's opinion, it was the most succinct line to convey the message in the whole speech. And it really did not distort the actual meaning all that much.

And to top it off none of those adds portrayed or inferred a democrat a) killing granny, b) killing wives c) boxing granny. Gotta give props for that huh?

[erfalf]

Santorum, Gingrich and Perry would disagree with you. Romney was ruthless during the primaries.

What did he do to them. Gingrich has been pretty open about saying that Romney was ruthless in that he wanted to win, but not that he did anything underhanded.

[Townsend]

Charles or Marilyn?

Musically, Marilyn.  I found Charles' attempts shallow and pedantic.

[Teatownclown]

Er, Laugh.

Landslide coming.....

[RecycleMichael]

What did he do to them. Gingrich has been pretty open about saying that Romney was ruthless in that he wanted to win, but not that he did anything underhanded.

It was very, very negative.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/31/romney-ramps-up-attack-ads-against-gingrich-to-unprecedented-levels.html

94% of the ads bought in Florida were negative ads.

Romney ain't afraid to go negative and him and republican PAC will go after Obama.

Obama and democrat PAC money will do the same.