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Started by DolfanBob, August 07, 2012, 02:36:16 PM

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Conan71

Quote from: Teatownclown on August 20, 2012, 03:06:29 PM

Give her the damn diploma!



Hell No!

Ahhh sh!t, now I have to go to the principal's office.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

nathanm

Quote from: erfalf on August 20, 2012, 08:34:07 AM
That would only be true if the value of the assets never increased. As reality generally goes though, the value of the assets skyrocket and the government more than makes up for the deferred collection. It is not avoidance. You cannot avoid the tax code, you can just follow it. And as it sits, you can decide when you want to pay some forms of taxes.

Okie dokie. You can deny the whole point of tax deferred retirement accounts and the tax advice given by some of the best regarded tax attorneys in the region if you like. After all, there's no way that deferring taxes could possibly transfer downside risk to the government and no way you can out-earn your original tax. IRAs, why does anyone use them?
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

erfalf

Quote from: nathanm on August 20, 2012, 03:08:31 PM
Okie dokie. You can deny the whole point of tax deferred retirement accounts and the tax advice given by some of the best regarded tax attorneys in the region if you like. After all, there's no way that deferring taxes could possibly transfer downside risk to the government and no way you can out-earn your original tax.

There is a risk. But the risk isn't on the government, it's not their money.

Quote from: nathanm on August 20, 2012, 03:08:31 PMIRAs, why does anyone use them?

To manage cash flow.
"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper

erfalf

And for gosh sakes, are people not allowed to have opinions anymore. Or just only opinions that don't criticize the sincerity of this President? When did this become so sacrosanct?

Besides, saying Obama is a Christian because he was Baptizedis like saying bush was a genius because he went to Yale. One does not necessarily lead to the other.
"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper

Townsend

Quote from: erfalf on August 20, 2012, 03:20:16 PM
And for gosh sakes, are people not allowed to have opinions anymore. Or just only opinions that don't criticize the sincerity of this President? When did this become so sacrosanct?

Besides, saying Obama is a Christian because he was Baptizedis like saying bush was a genius because he went to Yale. One does not necessarily lead to the other.

He said he was a Christian.

I don't actually give a smile but since Ryan says he's a Catholic and ol' whats'is-face says he's a Mormon, that means they're not?


erfalf

Quote from: Townsend on August 20, 2012, 03:25:32 PM
He said he was a Christian.

I don't actually give a smile but since Ryan says he's a Catholic and ol' whats'is-face says he's a Mormon, that means they're not?



Biden says he's smart, so does Bush?
"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper

Townsend

Quote from: erfalf on August 20, 2012, 03:26:23 PM
Biden says he's smart, so does Bush?

So intellect is a faith?

If I tell you I'm a member of a particular religion you will disagree?

erfalf

Quote from: Townsend on August 20, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
So intellect is a faith?

No politicians are politicians. Why should I be required to take them at their word when I have been lied to repeatedly? My wife sure as hell would not.
"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper

Townsend

Quote from: erfalf on August 20, 2012, 03:31:50 PM
No politicians are politicians. Why should I be required to take them at their word when I have been lied to repeatedly? My wife sure as hell would not.

Do you believe Ryan is a Catholic?

erfalf

Quote from: Townsend on August 20, 2012, 03:32:44 PM
Do you believe Ryan is a Catholic?

I honestly don't have as much info on Ryan as I do with Obama. Obama has been in the spotlight far longer and I have had more time to form an opinion. Obama has done little to prove to me that he is a Christian (or at least a member of a Christian church), but I don't rule it out. I don't think he is a muslim or whatever, although he was exposed to it far more than most Americans. I actually didn't know Ryan was a Catholic until my friend mentioned it this weekend. I assumed he was a protestant of some kind.
"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper

Townsend

Quote from: erfalf on August 20, 2012, 03:37:01 PM
I honestly don't have as much info on Ryan as I do with Obama. Obama has been in the spotlight far longer and I have had more time to form an opinion. Obama has done little to prove to me that he is a Christian (or at least a member of a Christian church), but I don't rule it out. I don't think he is a muslim or whatever, although he was exposed to it far more than most Americans. I actually didn't know Ryan was a Catholic until my friend mentioned it this weekend. I assumed he was a protestant of some kind.

I'm going to let you stop right about here...

erfalf

Quote from: Townsend on August 20, 2012, 03:38:13 PM
I'm going to let you stop right about here...

While intellect and faith are obviously different, they are both personal traits. Others can try to measure it, but it really un-measurable. It will not stop people (including you) from forming opinions about those traits though.
"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper

Townsend

Quote from: erfalf on August 20, 2012, 03:39:44 PM
While intellect and faith are obviously different, they are both personal traits.

So someone can have a Unitarian trait?

QuoteOthers can try to measure it, but it really un-measurable.

IQ

erfalf

Quote from: Townsend on August 20, 2012, 03:48:39 PM
IQ


Just one indication of intelligence (whatever that means), which as you know is far more complex than any test could ever measure. Same as faith is far too complex for someone to concoct a device to measure.
"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper

Townsend

Quote from: erfalf on August 20, 2012, 04:03:21 PM
Just one indication of intelligence (whatever that means), which as you know is far more complex than any test could ever measure. Same as faith is far too complex for someone to concoct a device to measure.

But not a measure?

And so there can be a Unitarian trait?