Mitts Pick

[Gaspar]

You mean with Rivlin?

No, Ron Wyden.  Rivlin was part of the initial discussion of the voucher plan but they had a difference on whether the voucher plan would be an option or not.  She also wanted the voucher amounts to grow at a faster pace than Medical expense estimates to make them more appealing.  Her ideas were still better than the status quo but wouldn't' have the same impact on decreasing the deficit.


http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/wydenryan.pdf

Edit:  Kinda funny, and worth mentioning, I attempted to get the text of WydenRyan from Wikipedia, under "The Path to Prosperity" the same source I've used to find it before, but it's been scrubbed.  So I looked at the edits and apparently there is a war going on with thousands of deletions and additions a day being made to the post.  Someone really doesn't want the public to have access to information on Paul Ryan's budget.

[RecycleMichael]

Any discussion of the budget or the economy will be dangerous at the DNC. 

You must think that only republicans think about the economy.

You really need to get out more.

The Ryan budget has some very painful cuts in it. Many people will not want those to happen. It is also a clear change for taxes on the richest and the middle class. Many people will not like that either.

The Ryan budget will be used against any republican running for federal office.

[Gaspar]

You must think that only republicans think about the economy.

You really need to get out more.

The Ryan budget has some very painful cuts in it. Many people will not want those to happen. It is also a clear change for taxes on the richest and the middle class. Many people will not like that either.

The Ryan budget will be used against any republican running for federal office.

You may be right, but we'll have to wait and see.  At this point, no reasonable budget offering will be without "painful cuts."

[Townsend]

No, Ron Wyden.  

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-08-17/paul-ryans-peculiar-definition-of-bipartisanship

After Rivlin-Ryan failed, Ryan continued to look for Democrats who would support his plan. Eventually he found Wyden, who has a reputation of teaming up with Republicans on ambitious legislation. In December 2011, they worked together on a blueprint for reforming Medicare. Ryan-Wyden wasn't a bill, but a white paper—a set of principles the two men endorsed.

But what ultimately came out months later in Ryan's next budget didn't look to Wyden like what he'd signed on for. In the 2012 budget, Ryan agreed to keep traditional Medicare as an option. In the white paper, Ryan had agreed to Wyden's demand that if Medicare costs exceeded an agreed-upon cap, the costs would be covered by insurance providers—not beneficiaries. Ryan's budget cut the cap in half—and lost the guarantee. Wyden made his opposition known: He voted against the budget (which also repealed the Affordable Care Act entirely), which he argued shifted costs onto the most vulnerable, and let Ryan know that the new budget was not the same as Ryan-Wyden.

Brendan Buck, a Romney spokesman, says in an e-mail exchange that the differences between his plan with Ryan and Wyden's, were "negligible." Wyden didn't think so: The senator, who typically avoids divisive comments, accused Romney of "talking nonsense" about his work with Ryan.

[Gaspar]

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-08-17/paul-ryans-peculiar-definition-of-bipartisanship

Congratulations, it's an election year and now every Democrat from Obama on down who initially showed admiration for Ryan's work are now figuring out ways to walk back their previous statements and figure out ways to hide their past agreements.

Ryan is an evil evil man with an evil budget that starves old people and kills kills kills!

[Townsend]

Congratulations, it's an election year and now every Democrat from Obama on down who initially showed admiration for Ryan's work are now figuring out ways to walk back their previous statements and figure out ways to hide their past agreements.

Ryan is an evil evil man with an evil budget that starves old people and kills kills kills!

Congratulations yourself.  You've chosen an opinion and no matter what is placed in front of you, you'll stick with that opinion, even when proven wrong.

[erfalf]

Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W Bush only held events once each in their terms. No controversy at all. Obama skipped it and you hyper-partisans scream he is Muslim and hates Christians.

Barack Obama has now held an event in three of his fours years as President.

But according to erfalf, we must continue to spread misinformation.

Not only did I not compare him to anyone else, I did not lie. He did not have an event in 2009. Prove me wrong.

[erfalf]

I hold that distinction...proudly. If you think a President's religious ideals have nothing to do with their governing, bs.

Erlaf, I will not take your atheist jokes as a personal affront.

I'm such a bad joker apparently I did not realize I made an atheist joke. If I did, no offense meant.

[erfalf]

Congratulations yourself.  You've chosen an opinion and no matter what is placed in front of you, you'll stick with that opinion, even when proven wrong.

Yet, in spite of the fact that he has been shown to be bipartisan, many believe Ryan to be such a right wing ideologue. Like Gas said, he has been complemented by many on the left prior to his nomination, even those employed by this administration, including those that worked extremely close with him on the  National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. You know, the one Obama created then ignored.

And Gas, don't you know, only Dems are allowed to change their minds about legislation they themselves create or vote for, (edit) or had any remote connection to whatsoever.

[Teatownclown]

You must think that only republicans think about the economy.

You really need to get out more.

The Ryan budget has some very painful cuts in it. Many people will not want those to happen. It is also a clear change for taxes on the richest and the middle class. Many people will not like that either.

The Ryan budget will be used against any republican running for federal office.

Dims would think this way instead of promoting the fact that the financial markets and their indexes are at the highest point since before the collapse that occurred under the GOP leadership in 2008.

[erfalf]

Dims would think this way instead of promoting the fact that the financial markets and their indexes are at the highest point since before the collapse that occurred under the GOP leadership in 2008.

But how do you in one hand deride big business/wall street and then in the other celebrate big business/wall street?

[erfalf]

You would have my sympathy.

Mine too. Nice one.

[Townsend]

Yet, in spite of the fact that he has been shown to be bipartisan,

Where?

[erfalf]

Where?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444233104577593020329310652.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-ron-wyden_n_1768495.html

Look the guy wanted to end Medicare and one point all together, but he compromised to get support from the Dems. He hasn't completely got there yet, but he is trying, which is more than I can say about many others.

The thing that Wyden didn't like was that Ryan included a provision to basically end the ACA.

[Townsend]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444233104577593020329310652.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-ron-wyden_n_1768495.html

Look the guy wanted to end Medicare and one point all together, but he compromised to get support from the Dems. He hasn't completely got there yet, but he is trying, which is more than I can say about many others.

The thing that Wyden didn't like was that Ryan included a provision to basically end the ACA.

So nothing bipartisan there then.