Obama's acceptance speech

[nathanm]

When Romney goes out and says things like Obama does, maybe you'll have a leg to stand on. Pitting one against the other. Offering policy that favors one over the other is not class warfare, it's just policy. Saying the rich don't deserve this or that, and you do is class warfare.

I could not find the word "deserve" in Obama's speech. Also, saying that policy can't be class warfare is patently ridiculous. Action is everything. Words are just words.

[erfalf]

I could not find the word "deserve" in Obama's speech. Also, saying that policy can't be class warfare is patently ridiculous. Action is everything. Words are just words.

Tell me you don't believe words are just words. You know as well as I that Obama benefited greatly from his "words" in 2008. You know too, that becoming President is far more than policy ideas, it is the feeling one has about the person. That is why Obama was so incredibly successful in 2008 (that and a pair of happless Repubs running against him). He had the culture of cool or whatever working for him. Words are so much more than words. Why else do you care so much about what Romney says in his policy statements. Right now they are just words. He hasn't done anything in the federal government.

[DolfanBob]

It has been said that Obama was told before he took the podium last night. 96,000 jobs were added and 368,000 had left the job force. The lowest level in 31 years.

[Gaspar]

Wonderful promises without foundations.

Mix-up from last night, SOTUs and 2008 Campaign

[erfalf]

Wonderful promises without foundations.

Mix-up from last night, SOTUs and 2008 Campaign

His whole campaign in 2008 was about being the anti-Bush. What is he going to do now, be the anti-Obama.

[nathanm]

I don't think anyone can complain about better education, however I've not seen a metric which purports to show a cut in college tuition costs.  I know they have not dropped for my kids, they still go up each year.  I believe giving everyone an affordable and good opportunity at higher education benefits us all.

I believe he's talking about interest in this passage. The overall cost is lower because student loan rates were not allowed to rise and banks who had previously been acting as middlemen and marking up the rate the government was charging are no longer acting as middlemen.

Okay, that one is a real whopper... I hate to depart from positives but I can't let him get away with that one.

Romney and Ryan are the ones that decided they had to have so much tax cutting in their plans that there's not any reasonable way to make it up with budget cuts without big middle class tax increases. Romney's plan is even worse than Ryan's in this respect because of his excessive allocation to defense spending. And Ryan's plan doesn't balance the budget until something ridiculous like 2050. Seriously, it may not be exactly 2050, but it's not far from that.

Words are so much more than words. Why else do you care so much about what Romney says in his policy statements. Right now they are just words. He hasn't done anything in the federal government.

Romney proposes action, surely you get that. So does Obama. If one is class warfare, surely so is the other. I'm not the one that's making the case for class warfare, though. I just think Romney's proposals are bad policy.

[Gaspar]

But Nate,

You can criticize Romney and Ryan's plans all you want.  You can say that "they don't balance the budget until XXXX" or "Romney is going to end Medicare as we know it."
The president spent a significant part of his speech doing just that, and Clinton did an even better job of it, but it doen't change the fact that President Obama doesn't offer a plan to do anything. 

He's running on 2008 promises never fulfilled.  Recycled love-songs that used to swoon, but are now so cliché and flat that not a single person is fainting.  Plans without numbers, and intentions without strategies.  He held up Simpson-Bowles like it was gospel but failed to mention that he sidelined it.  He's golfed his way through his first term, riding on his speeches and constantly blaming others for his lack of results.  It's worn thin.

He has been a charlatan, a hoax, an empty suit.  Democrats are trying so hard to pretend that there is something there, but I'm afraid there is not.

[nathanm]

it doen't change the fact that President Obama doesn't offer a plan to do anything.  

Since this was covered before, this now escalates to an outright lie. Not only are there plans in the form of legislation pending before Congress, but there are also the previous promises already legislated. Romney has no real plan, just a broad framework, which is precisely what you're attempting to criticize Obama for.

He held up Simpson-Bowles like it was gospel but failed to mention that he sidelined it.

He sidelined it? Check his 2013 budget which contains many elements of the commission's plan, the very plan that Paul Ryan voted against.

[Conan71]

But Nate,

You can criticize Romney and Ryan's plans all you want.  You can say that "they don't balance the budget until XXXX" or "Romney is going to end Medicare as we know it."
The president spent a significant part of his speech doing just that, and Clinton did an even better job of it, but it doen't change the fact that President Obama doesn't offer a plan to do anything. 

He's running on 2008 promises never fulfilled.  Recycled love-songs that used to swoon, but are now so cliché and flat that not a single person is fainting.  Plans without numbers, and intentions without strategies.  He held up Simpson-Bowles like it was gospel but failed to mention that he sidelined it.  He's golfed his way through his first term, riding on his speeches and constantly blaming others for his lack of results.  It's worn thin.

He has been a charlatan, a hoax, an empty suit.  Democrats are trying so hard to pretend that there is something there, but I'm afraid there is not.

Nobody fainted, but there were some tear-stained cheeks the cameras caught last night.  Almost as if the producers knew exactly where they would be seated.  Pass the mentholatum?

[AquaMan]

What vast amounts of foreign policy experience did Obama have in 2008, besides living overseas? I would guess that Romney probably has been in the game longer than Obama (prior to his election) considering his families political background. He has worked with companies overseas, while Obama was busy getting high (by his own admission). and penning his autobiography (at 30 years old mind you). Please enlighten me how Obama's prior experience is more impressive than Romney's?

Why bother? It would bounce off of you like most of the other attempts to enlighten you.

BTW, this is not 2008. This is 2012. Obama now has vastly more experience than the Mormon doing his sabbatical. And, once again since you don't pay attention, its the quality of the experience. Experience in outsourcing jobs and hiding money in offshore accounts doesn't count and offending our allies on his pr trip does count.

[Conan71]

Why bother? It would bounce off of you like most of the other attempts to enlighten you.

BTW, this is not 2008. This is 2012. Obama now has vastly more experience than the Mormon doing his sabbatical. And, once again since you don't pay attention, its the quality of the experience. Experience in outsourcing jobs and hiding money in offshore accounts doesn't count and offending our allies on his pr trip does count.

Obama's foreign policy gaffes are legion.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House said President Barack Obama misspoke on Tuesday when he referred to a "Polish death camp" while honoring a Polish war hero.

The president's remark had drawn immediate complaints from Poles who said Obama should have called it a "German death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland," to distinguish the perpetrators from the location. Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski called it a matter of "ignorance and incompetence."

http://www.timesofisrael.com/obama-offends-poles-in-death-camp-slip-up/

Nicolas Sarkozy branded the Israeli prime minister 'a liar' while Obama retorted:  'You're fed up with him - I have to deal with him every day!'

...Israeli politician Danny Danon said that President Obama revealed his feelings toward Israel with the remarks to Sarkozy.
Mr Danon told the Jerusalem Post: 'Obama's true face was revealed, as are his cold and disrespectful policies toward Israel and Prime Minister Netanyahu.'

He added: 'Anyone who had doubts about the way Obama treats Israel doesn't have them anymore. Obama is bad for Israel.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059206/Obama-facing-Jewish-backlash-Israeli-PM-Benjamin-Netanyahu-remark-Sarkozy.html#ixzz25oQ1pfhI

For brevity of space you can visit the top ten insults to Israel here:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100036389/barack-obama's-top-ten-insults-against-israel/

[Teatownclown]

Why bother? It would bounce off of you like most of the other attempts to enlighten you.

BTW, this is not 2008. This is 2012. Obama now has vastly more experience than the Mormon doing his sabbatical. And, once again since you don't pay attention, its the quality of the experience. Experience in outsourcing jobs and hiding money in offshore accounts doesn't count and offending our allies on his pr trip does count.

+1 but I'd watch out for that Moron hate....

[Teatownclown]

Obama's foreign policy gaffes are legion.

For brevity of space you can visit the top ten insults to Israel here:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100036389/barack-obama's-top-ten-insults-against-israel/

FYI Crownan, AIPAC needs to stay out of our business.

[TulsaRufnex]

He has been a charlatan, a hoax, an empty suit.  Democrats are trying so hard to pretend that there is something there, but I'm afraid there is not.

[AquaMan]

+1 but I'd watch out for that Moron hate....

I don't hate Mormons. Or any religion really.  Unlike most people on this forum, judging by their remarks, I actually have a good friend I grew up with who is a former Mormon. Who actually went out knocking on peoples doors asking for money and pushing the Mormon religion. That friend now has little respect for the church.

What I hate is that folks tend to confuse religion, and spirituality with the business of religion and spirituality.