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This is not what leadership looks like

Started by Gaspar, September 06, 2012, 10:29:24 AM

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Gaspar

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

swake

It's hard to govern with people that refuse to compromise or cooperate. Who in fact are part of a party who's Tea Party wing runs proudly on the ideal that they will proudly will NEVER  compromise or cooperate with the president.

This isn't Obama's failure to lead, this is Republicans refusal to place the nations welfare in front of their own petty political goals and desire for power.

Gaspar

Quote from: swake on September 06, 2012, 10:35:21 AM
It's hard to govern with people that refuse to compromise or cooperate. Who in fact are part of a party who's Tea Party wing runs proudly on the ideal that they will proudly will NEVER  compromise or cooperate with the president.

This isn't Obama's failure to lead, this is Republicans refusal to place the nations welfare in front of their own petty political goals and desire for power.

I don't see it that way.  They worked hard and came to an agreement that solved the problem.  At that moment, the moment of agreement, the moment of vulnerability, the president pushed.  That's a sign of inexperience and poor leadership.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

erfalf

Quote from: swake on September 06, 2012, 10:35:21 AM
It's hard to govern with people that refuse to compromise or cooperate. Who in fact are part of a party who's Tea Party wing runs proudly on the ideal that they will proudly will NEVER  compromise or cooperate with the president.

This isn't Obama's failure to lead, this is Republicans refusal to place the nations welfare in front of their own petty political goals and desire for power.

Could it be possible that the Republicans are not the only ones willing to compromise?
"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper

Hoss

Quote from: erfalf on September 06, 2012, 10:41:55 AM
Could it be possible that the Republicans are not the only ones willing to compromise?

Not so much:


erfalf

"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper

Hoss

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Quote from: erfalf on September 06, 2012, 01:43:41 PM
You're right only Republicans play those kind of games.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/01/23/obama-to-gop-i-won/

Missing the point here.  This is time specific, as in what is happening NOW.  How dizzy are you right now?

Actually, it's more about what's NOT happening now.  And hasn't been since about January of last year.

erfalf

Quote from: Hoss on September 06, 2012, 01:47:26 PM
Missing the point here.  This is time specific, as in what is happening NOW.  How dizzy are you right now?

Actually, it's more about what's NOT happening now.  And hasn't been since about January of last year.

You posted a quote from several years ago and are going to lambaste me for doing the same. Don't kid yourself. If you think the top priority of the Democrats is NOT re-electing Democrats and defeating Republicans, then you have another thing coming.
"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper

Hoss

Quote from: erfalf on September 06, 2012, 01:54:07 PM
You posted a quote from several years ago and are going to lambaste me for doing the same. Don't kid yourself. If you think the top priority of the Democrats is NOT re-electing Democrats and defeating Republicans, then you have another thing coming.

I could say the same exact thing to you.  Except now the Congress is do-nothing.  Who holds it hostage.

It used to be that Congress could get over the partisanship and come together for the common good of the people.  Now the tea party crazies have hijacked the Republican party, if you aren't against everything Obama stands for, even if at one point the Republican party espoused that same notion, you'll be voted out by the special interest groups that now have the ability to pump millions into elections.

If you don't think THAT is true, you have another thing coming.

erfalf

Quote from: Hoss on September 06, 2012, 02:00:02 PM
I could say the same exact thing to you.  Except now the Congress is do-nothing.  Who holds it hostage.

It used to be that Congress could get over the partisanship and come together for the common good of the people.  Now the tea party crazies have hijacked the Republican party, if you aren't against everything Obama stands for, even if at one point the Republican party espoused that same notion, you'll be voted out by the special interest groups that now have the ability to pump millions into elections.

If you don't think THAT is true, you have another thing coming.

Way to change the subject.
"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper

Hoss

Quote from: erfalf on September 06, 2012, 02:00:48 PM
Way to change the subject.

I've learned that pretty well.  You're a good teacher.   ;D

nathanm

Quote from: Gaspar on September 06, 2012, 10:40:43 AM
I don't see it that way.  They worked hard and came to an agreement that solved the problem.  At that moment, the moment of agreement, the moment of vulnerability, the president pushed.  That's a sign of inexperience and poor leadership.

Funny how the news articles at the time all claimed that the issue was that Boehner got too much flack from the Tea Partyists. Nothing wrong with a little revisionist history if it helps you sleep at night, I guess.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

shadows

One assumes by the posters that the platform of the parties dwell on the Nitti-gritty of the two parties of the election will be Corporate America, who will try to buy the election and the working poor working at the poverty level of below $50,000 a year.  It will be decided by which can get enough voters to the poll that fills one of these categories.

Voters with an overburden of debts, escalating medical needs and sixty years of inflation may find that self preservation prevails over outsourcing the United States once industrial might.     
Today we stand in ecstasy and view that we build today'
Tomorrow we will enter into the plea to have it torn away.

nathanm

Quote from: shadows on September 06, 2012, 04:24:50 PM
Voters with an overburden of debts, escalating medical needs and sixty years of inflation may find that self preservation prevails over outsourcing the United States once industrial might.     

Happily, we've actually been adding manufacturing jobs rather than losing them for the first time in a long while.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

swake

Quote from: nathanm on September 06, 2012, 04:36:27 PM
Happily, we've actually been adding manufacturing jobs rather than losing them for the first time in a long while.

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