Infidels

[erfalf]

What gives you the knowledge that it was "actionable".

Uh, previous attacks, requests for more protection. What would you consider actionable intelligence?

[Townsend]

Uh, previous attacks, requests for more protection. What would you consider actionable intelligence?

I don't know.  I'm not in the actual loop.

I'm not in charge of the personnel or deciding how to post them.  I'm no longer receiving the memo's either.

Frankly, I think your link to fox news offering online degrees in counter-terrorism is probably fairly unreliable too.

[guido911]

The good news is that losing four Americans in Libya is not optimal.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2219867/President-Barack-Obama-Benghazi-attack-If-4-Americans-killed-OPTIMAL.html

[Townsend]

The good news is that losing four Americans in Libya is not optimal.

I'd imagine not.

[guido911]

I'd imagine not.

I agree. Less than just two dead Americans falls within the optimal range.

[Teatownclown]

I honestly can't for the life of me figure out why this is such a big deal..

Libya is an unstable place currently where bad stuff happens and after it happens it takes more than a couple of days to figure it out and why.

Life is not black and white, its complicated...

Everything POTUS OBAMA says sparks outrage among Republican commentators.

[guido911]

I honestly can't for the life of me figure out why this is such a big deal..

Libya is an unstable place currently where bad stuff happens and after it happens it takes more than a couple of days to figure it out and why.

Life is not black and white, its complicated...

Everything POTUS OBAMA says sparks outrage among Republican commentators.

Please, just shut up. For once, stop embarrassing this forum with the apparent little value you place on the lives of dead Americans who may have wound up that way unnecessarily. After all, that's all we heard about when evil Boosh was in charge.

[Teatownclown]

Please, just shut up. For once, stop embarrassing this forum with the apparent little value you place on the lives of dead Americans who may have wound up that way unnecessarily. After all, that's all we heard about when evil Boosh was in charge.

I wasn't politicizing the thousands of dead soldiers and Iraqi's for the 2 trillion dollar war we were lied into.

You're such a bubble head....

[nathanm]

I wasn't politicizing the thousands of dead soldiers and Iraqi's for the 2 trillion dollar war we were lied into.

Thousands of soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, according to the Lancet.

[guido911]

Mother of dead American not pleased with "optimal" comments. I wish she would stop politicizing her son's death.

The mother of an American diplomat killed during a terrorist raid on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi has hit out at Barack Obama for describing the attack as 'not optimal', saying: 'My son is not very optimal - he is also very dead.'

During an interview shown on Comedy Central, Obama responded to a question about his administration's confused communication after the assault by saying: 'If four Americans get killed, it's not optimal.'

Speaking exclusively to MailOnline today, Pat Smith, whose son Sean died in the raid, said: 'It was a disrespectful thing to say and I don't think it's right.

'How can you say somebody being killed is not very optimal? I don't think the President has the right idea of the English language.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220241/Barack-Obama-Benghazi-attack-Mother-diplomat-criticises-Presidents-optimal-comment.html#ixzz29mrKYjZk
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220241/Barack-Obama-Benghazi-attack-Mother-diplomat-criticises-Presidents-optimal-comment.html

[heironymouspasparagus]

Thousands of soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, according to the Lancet.

Over a million according to estimates I heard that from Lancet (IIRC, there was a range given of 600k to 1.1 million - ballpark, so Red doesn't get too excited if I am 42 people off...).  And the vast majority of those NOT fighters, but elderly, women and children.

[nathanm]

Mother of dead American not pleased with "optimal" comments. I wish she would stop politicizing her son's death.

Oops, the Daily Mail literally lied. Made the "quotes" up, like something out of the last season of The Wire.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1061168977

[heironymouspasparagus]

Please, just shut up. For once, stop embarrassing this forum with the apparent little value you place on the lives of dead Americans who may have wound up that way unnecessarily. After all, that's all we heard about when evil Boosh was in charge.

Where was EXACTLY THAT intensity when Bush started a false, unnecessary war that ended up killing over 4,000 of our kids??  The frenzy is raised to this point for 4, but stone cold, crickets in the background, silence on 4,000+.  Exactly what we have come to expect from Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, and their ilk.

A whole lot like the umbrage at $500 million for Solyndra, but nothing for the $1 trillion + spent on Iraq war.


That is the hypocrisy of the extremist right.  Blatant.  Calculating.  Manipulative.  Deceptive.

[TulsaRufnex]

Mother of dead American not pleased with "optimal" comments. I wish she would stop politicizing her son's death.

Isn't that Mitt Romney's job?  

[erfalf]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/22/us/politics/explanation-for-benghazi-attack-under-scrutiny.html?partner=MYWAY&ei=5065&_r=0

My conclusion is the reason for the misdirection is that the administration doesn't want people to know why our people were there in the first place. As long as nothing like this never happened, no one would ever know the difference, but as it happened, our guys were killed by our own guns. They have been successful in steering this whole thing away from the admins policy with Libya and Gaddafi. Unfortunately, several people have had to fall on the sword for the team.

Finally, would a "we are looking into it, and it is too early to comment" been enough in the days immediately following the tragic night?