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Started by Conan71, September 25, 2012, 10:36:24 AM

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Gaspar

When the Chinese cut us off, we can borrow money from the Saudis.


When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Teatownclown

Will congress ever get to work? Or will the house continue to think obstructionism is their lazy answer? I wonder if the house might go back to the dims as the Teapublicans continue to scapegoat the President.

Gaspar

Quote from: Teatownclown on September 26, 2012, 08:08:26 AM
Will congress ever get to work? Or will the house continue to think obstructionism is their lazy answer? I wonder if the house might go back to the dims as the Teapublicans continue to scapegoat the President.

A leader is someone capable of working with people that he may disagree with.  Some in congress will continue to offer budgets.  Some will also continue to ask that the president's proposals and budgets go to the floor for a vote.  There are a stead flow of bills that continue to flow from the house.  There is strong disagreement between the leaders in the house and the leaders in the senate.  It would be different if Harry Reid rallyed the troops and voted against things he disagreed with, but he is the immovable object.  He has prevented nearly all bills, budgets and amendments from reaching the floor.  Why the president hasn't sat down with Harry and said "Why won't you vote on my budget?", I don't know unless of course there never was a serious budget.

The primary responsibility that Congress has right now (and for the past 3 years) was settling on a budget that stops the hemorrhaging and waste.  The president has not been very concerned about motivating either the Democrats or the Republicans in Congress, unless it offers some good publicity.  His interactions with Boehner are well documented as adolescent at best. His interactions with Reid are wholly unproductive.  He had two years with a sympathetic Congress, only to produce some of the most hated legislature ever passed, and, I might note, it did not actually contain his plan. 

Congressional leadership is dysfunctional, and Executive leadership is non-existant.  So the answer to your question is NO.  Without inspiration there will be no perspiration.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

RecycleMichael

Quote from: Gaspar on September 26, 2012, 08:53:53 AM
Without inspiration there will be no perspiration.

There is no aspiration to share your constipation either.
Power is nothing till you use it.

carltonplace

And Romney is the answer.  ::)

This is really the best guy the Republicans have?

Townsend

Quote from: carltonplace on September 26, 2012, 09:25:25 AM
And Romney is the answer.  ::)

This is really the best guy the Republicans have?

He was the most photogenic who didn't come off as completely insane during the build up to the political circus.

Gaspar

Quote from: carltonplace on September 26, 2012, 09:25:25 AM
And Romney is the answer.  ::)

This is really the best guy the Republicans have?

NO!

He was governor of a state where nearly 80% of the legislators were liberal dems.  He was very successful in working with them to the dismay of many conservatives.  He is not the best candidate that the Republicans have!  He is too willing to compromise his "conservative" principals to get things done.  That makes him the best candidate any of us have.  If elected, I am confident he will piss off more Republicans than Democrats because he will continue to engage in compromise just to get things done.

I will be delighted to see the Republicans sh!t, but I will be equally delighted to see Dems in the Senate get off the pot.  Mitt lost the primary in '08 because he was not a true conservative.  He won this year because he's compromising those principals again to save us from 4 more years of stagnation.  He's a horrible Republican candidate, and therefore the best opportunity for leadership and growth we have.

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Hoss

Quote from: Gaspar on September 26, 2012, 09:34:23 AM
NO!

He was governor of a state where nearly 80% of the legislators were liberal dems.  He was very successful in working with them to the dismay of many conservatives.  He is not the best candidate that the Republicans have!  He is too willing to compromise his "conservative" principals to get things done.  That makes him the best candidate any of us have.  If elected, I am confident he will piss off more Republicans than Democrats because he will continue to engage in compromise just to get things done.

I will be delighted to see the Republicans sh!t, but I will be equally delighted to see Dems in the Senate get off the pot.  Mitt lost the primary in '08 because he was not a true conservative.  He won this year because he's compromising those principals again to save us from 4 more years of stagnation.  He's a horrible Republican candidate, and therefore the best opportunity for leadership and growth we have.



You HAVE to be dizzy after posting that...

erfalf

Quote from: Gaspar on September 26, 2012, 09:34:23 AM
NO!

He was governor of a state where nearly 80% of the legislators were liberal dems.  He was very successful in working with them to the dismay of many conservatives.  He is not the best candidate that the Republicans have!  He is too willing to compromise his "conservative" principals to get things done.  That makes him the best candidate any of us have.  If elected, I am confident he will piss off more Republicans than Democrats because he will continue to engage in compromise just to get things done.

I will be delighted to see the Republicans sh!t, but I will be equally delighted to see Dems in the Senate get off the pot.  Mitt lost the primary in '08 because he was not a true conservative.  He won this year because he's compromising those principals again to save us from 4 more years of stagnation.  He's a horrible Republican candidate, and therefore the best opportunity for leadership and growth we have.



He has most of the characteristics that the lefty talking heads always complain that they wish the Republican candidate had, that is until that person is the candidate, then they are the devil.

That and he is too rich.
"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper

nathanm

Quote from: erfalf on September 26, 2012, 10:27:04 AM
He has most of the characteristics that the lefty talking heads always complain that they wish the Republican candidate had, that is until that person is the candidate, then they are the devil.

Really, the lefty talking heads want a corporatist liar for President? Tell me more.

Gaspar, you might also check yourself, less than 20% of the US public debt is owned by the Chinese. The vast majority of it is owed to US persons. Keep making stuff up, though. It's fun.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Teatownclown

Politico reports Ryan's nickname for Mitt is The Stench.

Perfect. Mitt's followers are fumes or in Gassies case "stinkers".

erfalf

Quote from: nathanm on September 26, 2012, 10:35:08 AM
Really, the lefty talking heads want a corporatist liar for President? Tell me more.

Gaspar, you might also check yourself, less than 20% of the US public debt is owned by the Chinese. The vast majority of it is owed to US persons. Keep making stuff up, though. It's fun.

We were told that the Republican's needed a candidate that was more flexible and far less hard lined. What would you call Mitt?
"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper

Gaspar

Quote from: nathanm on September 26, 2012, 10:35:08 AM
Really, the lefty talking heads want a corporatist liar for President? Tell me more.

Gaspar, you might also check yourself, less than 20% of the US public debt is owned by the Chinese. The vast majority of it is owed to US persons. Keep making stuff up, though. It's fun.

48% of the debt is held by foreign investors, of which China is the largest.  With domestic investment shrinking, foreign investment has grown. I know you don't think this is an issue, but it will be.  Spending at this rate is not sustainable.  Your Grand Messiah President Obama has even said that.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

nathanm

Quote from: erfalf on September 26, 2012, 10:54:45 AM
We were told that the Republican's needed a candidate that was more flexible and far less hard lined. What would you call Mitt?

A tool of the radical right.

Gaspar, maybe next time try to find the graph that shows all the debt. You might also note that China makes up only 22% of the foreign held long term debt, according to your chart.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

erfalf

Quote from: nathanm on September 26, 2012, 10:57:39 AM
A tool of the radical right.

What would you have called him 6 years ago?

I agree that Mitt is way to "pliable", that I will not disagree on, but we are talking about politicians, remember.
"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper