If Obama Wins...

[RecycleMichael]

I asked a pretty direct question. What, prior to 2008, did Romney do that was so offensive?

I posted many things Romney did in his past that offended me. I was offended by the way he nonchalantly jokes about the time he crated his dog on his car for a long trip. I didn't like the stories of him as a student bullying a kid and cutting his hair. I don't like the way he lied about being poor while owning a broad stock portfolio and being born to the President of American Motors Corporation. I also don't like him for lying about saving the Olympics when all he did was get $400 million in federal bailouts. He has been lying about that for a decade, long before he decided he was running for president.

I don't like the way he made his money. Some people don't like lawyers, some people don't like car salesmen, I don't like venture capitalists. Buying and closing companies for profit without regard to the lives of the workers or the health of the company town just irks me.

Yeah, I was offended with Romney before 2008. Now that he is the poster child for flip-flopping on positions I like him even less. Those who know me from posting on TulsaNow know that I am not a big Obama fan. I like his words, but often argue against his policies and priorities. I wish he would get our troops out of Afghanistan, close Gitmo, meet with the Prime Minister of Israel, and put together a jobs package with vision. He has disappointed me on each of these things.

But I can't vote for Romney. He is unlikable, unsympathetic to poor Americans, and untrustworthy with his words. He deserves to lose this election.

[nathanm]

Some say...

Yes, some people whom I have spoken with (not in Oklahoma). I think those who live in the in-play states may yet be persuaded to vote against Romney by voting for Obama, but there are a number of people who insist they will be voting Green this year.

[erfalf]

But I can't vote for Romney Obama. He is unlikable, unsympathetic to poor Americans, and untrustworthy with his words. He deserves to lose this election.

Just saying.

[Gaspar]

Some say...

He must be talking about Michael Moore and Bill Maher.

[erfalf]

Yes, some people whom I have spoken with (not in Oklahoma). I think those who live in the in-play states may yet be persuaded to vote against Romney by voting for Obama, but there are a number of people who insist they will be voting Green this year.

You know I would have gotten hammered on here for saying something like that.

But, how many people do you really think will not vote for Obama because he gave in too much to the Republicans? Someone who says that would have to be to the left of what Obama has actually done. So you think they will just abstain from voting? For real?

[patric]

I wish he would get our troops out of Afghanistan, close Gitmo

Are these things more likely to happen under an Obama free and clear of re-election indebtedness, or under Romney?

[nathanm]

But, how many people do you really think will not vote for Obama because he gave in too much to the Republicans? Someone who says that would have to be to the left of what Obama has actually done. So you think they will just abstain from voting? For real?

No, I think they'll vote for Jill Stein. Despite Fox News and Rush Limbaugh's protestations, Obama is not very left wing at all. If he were, we might have gotten a public option and might have required the banks to give up some equity to get the government financing they got. Nor would he be engaged in a drone war, killing US citizens without due process. There's a reason why old guard Republicans like David Frum and Bruce Bartlett are shaking their heads at the thought of Obama being some far left winger.

[erfalf]

No, I think they'll vote for Jill Stein. Despite Fox News and Rush Limbaugh's protestations, Obama is not very left wing at all. If he were, we might have gotten a public option and might have required the banks to give up some equity to get the government financing they got. Nor would he be engaged in a drone war, killing US citizens without due process. There's a reason why old guard Republicans like David Frum and Bruce Bartlett are shaking their heads at the thought of Obama being some far left winger.

Personally, I would consider many of the actions this administration have been partaking in pretty left wing. It's just that the previous administration was partaking in those same left wing policies and I seriously doubt there will be a major course change if Romney were to get elected.

The federal government has been in favor of "big banks" and "the war machine" for some time. This weekend I saw the former FDIC chairwoman slamming Geithner and have heard similar things from the TARP inspector as well. The government is not for the people, well at least not all the people. They may pretend to be, but only to get just enough permission to do what they really want to do.

Think about it. What major direction changes has the current administration taken since 2008?

[nathanm]

Think about it. What major direction changes has the current administration taken since 2008?

That's precisely the point. Nearly everything that has been a change from previous policy has been done in a center-right manner, while many of the right winger policies Bush brought in have been left to continue. Problem is that everything looks left wing to a Tea Party supporter, just like everything looks right wing to the far lefties. That's the problem with being a radical.

[Conan71]

Is funny. Lefties are damn near refusing to vote for him because he compromises too much, yet you maintain that he doesn't.

Obama's idea of a compromise is sticking an un-palateable tax increase (to the Teahadists) into a proposal.

If he really was that concerned about the deficit and debt, he had the opportunity to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire at the end of 2010.  Instead, he's spent the last two years telling everyone how the rich are screwing the poor and paying too little in taxes.

[nathanm]

Obama's idea of a compromise is sticking an un-palateable tax increase (to the Teahadists) into a proposal.

You have a strange definition of compromise. One that seems to comport well with the right winger radio personalities. Compromise takes two parties. If one is saying "give me everything I want and nothing I don't want," they're not demanding compromise, they're demanding capitulation.

[RecycleMichael]

If he really was that concerned about the deficit and debt, he had the opportunity to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire at the end of 2010. 

He agreed to extend the Bush tax cuts because he was able to get republicans to agree to extensions of the earned income tax credit, a $1,000 per child additional tax credit and a one year, 2% Social Security tax reduction. The bill he signed also extended unemployment benefits for 13 months.

Obama compromised and was able to get something done. How dare he.

[guido911]

Just saying.

Just look through my old posts when RM was just lambasting Obama, calling him a liar back in 2008. Then take a look at RM views of moral failings of candidates he dislikes in 2012. Seriously Michael, you dislike Romney because he is untrustworthy with his words? That is the most shameless and utterly brazen flip I can recall at TNF.

[RecycleMichael]

Guido doesn't know what he is saying.

My problems with Obama before the election were not at all related to what he was changing his mind about. I didn't like his friends in Chicago and didn't think he had paid his dues in the party nor had proven that he could work with the other side of the aisle.

Your posts and logic have been suffering lately. Maybe you should rest a little.

[Gaspar]

Guido doesn't know what he is saying.

My problems with Obama before the election were not at all related to what he was changing his mind about. I didn't like his friends in Chicago and didn't think he had paid his dues in the party nor had proven that he could work with the other side of the aisle.

Your posts and logic have been suffering lately. Maybe you should rest a little.

You also thought he was a lier and obstructionist fueled by big oil and special intrest money. . .and you said he was stealing delegate votes by changing the rules.

I personally didn't like his friends in Chicago either, but some of them are in Jail now and the rest have been marginalized. . .Also by delivering the mayoral seat to Rahm we've had an excellent opportunity to watch the Peter Principal in action.

Never let a crisis go to waste!