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[Conan71]

Actually, no, it doesn't.  A budget is only a wish list.  A budget - especially a Presidential office budget - can say/be anything anyone wants it to say/do.  Means nothing until the spending bills are passed.

The spending and actual debt is only created/eliminated when Congress - specifically the House of Representatives - initiates a bill, both houses pass it, and the President signs it.  THEN an indebtedness accrues. 

Parse all you like, watch out for the attendant dizziness which will result.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Parse all you like, watch out for the attendant dizziness which will result.

Parse? 

What...reality need not apply??  Actually, the slinging around of budgets, on and off budget costs, and all the other deflection and dissemination amounts to feeble attempts to justify the lie about the deficit (the amount of money spent that is above the income to spend) tripling in the last 3 years.  When the reality is that it has come down by 30%...and lest Red get all excited that an exaggeration, it is actually very close to a 29.6021220159% reduction.  Close enough to 30 for me, but hey, you know what a stickler he can be.

Interesting note is that the Obama administration's budget request contained $2.627 trillion in revenues and $3.729 trillion in outlays (expenditures) for 2012, for a deficit of $1.101 trillion.  The April 2011 Republican plan contained $2.533 trillion in revenues and $3.529 trillion in outlays, for a deficit of $0.996 trillion.

The enacted budget contained $2.469 trillion in receipts and $3.796 trillion in outlays, for a deficit of $1.327 trillion.

What happened to all that fiscal restraint the House is supposed to have under Boner??  They had to initiate and pass the bills before anything else happened.

[Conan71]

I listened to her in an interview. An intelligent woman with well thought out ideas and arguments.

It's too bad you can just write her off because Limbaugh decided to go loon again.

No, I can write her off because she told bald faced lies that birth control could cost a law student $1000 per year.  I guess it could if you had an "oops" a year and needed to have an abortion.

Secondly: president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice?  What exactly is reproductive justice?

Third, I can also write her off as I don't believe paying for birth control is incumbent on all the rest of society to pay for it. 

People have come to this bastardized idea that health insurance is supposed to pay for any and every medical need.  Perhaps insurance companies were the ones who opened that veritable Pandora's box with HMO and PPO concepts.  The idea was for "well care" to encourage preventative health care and to catch major diseases early.  Instead it's resulted in people going to the GP's office for every hang-nail and sniffle since they only have to pay $10 or $20 for a visit.

Only in my working lifetime has this evolved.  The first company insurance plan I had was an 80/20 major medical which suited me just fine.  I paid $60 for the entire cost of my annual doctor's visit and if I had to go to the ER or needed some sort of medical procedure, I paid 20%, the insurer paid 80%.  Now people want insurers to pay for office visits and all their meds, and fume that insurance premium costs keep going up.

There's this mistaken idea that now birth control becomes a freebie under the mandates of Obamacare.  It doesn't become a freebie, it's paid for in insurance rates.  Add in administrative costs, and it actually ends up costing more in the end.  Just pay the $10 to $30 a month for your damn pills or rubbers.

We want more and more of our expenses covered by someone else, is it any wonder insurance rates are so friggin' high and why the US Government is swimming in debt?

[Gaspar]

Parse? 

What...reality need not apply??  Actually, the slinging around of budgets, on and off budget costs, and all the other deflection and dissemination amounts to feeble attempts to justify the lie about the deficit (the amount of money spent that is above the income to spend) tripling in the last 3 years.  When the reality is that it has come down by 30%...and lest Red get all excited that an exaggeration, it is actually very close to a 29.6021220159% reduction.  Close enough to 30 for me, but hey, you know what a stickler he can be.

Interesting note is that the Obama administration's budget request contained $2.627 trillion in revenues and $3.729 trillion in outlays (expenditures) for 2012, for a deficit of $1.101 trillion.  The April 2011 Republican plan contained $2.533 trillion in revenues and $3.529 trillion in outlays, for a deficit of $0.996 trillion.

The enacted budget contained $2.469 trillion in receipts and $3.796 trillion in outlays, for a deficit of $1.327 trillion.

What happened to all that fiscal restraint the House is supposed to have under Boner??  They had to initiate and pass the bills before anything else happened.

The result of the proposed republican budget was a net decrease in deficit of $4.4 trillion over 10 years, and avoids what was then estimated as $1.5 trillion in tax increases as a result of Obamacare. http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pathtoprosperityfy2012.pdf  We now know that number is much higher.  Hindsight is a wonderful thing.  We now see that the current path (virtually unchanged from the Bush era because no one could get a budget passed Harry) adds about a trillion a year.  The president's plan would have added about the same.  I would have liked to see a plan that cut far more spending and instituted some budgetary rules, but nothing, nothing, nothing was ever going to get passed Harry.  Not the president's budget, not the Republican budget, and there sure as hell wasn't going to be anything touched by the Senate.

[Townsend]

No, I can write her off because she told bald faced lies that birth control could cost a law student $1000 per year.  I guess it could if you had an "oops" a year and needed to have an abortion.

The pill - up to $600 a year plus office visits.  An example.  http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/alpha-consumer/2010/08/27/how-much-does-birth-control-cost

I'll pass on the abortion comment.

Secondly: president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice?  What exactly is reproductive justice?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_justice

Third, I can also write her off as I don't believe paying for birth control is incumbent on all the rest of society to pay for it.

That wasn't her stance.

You and I have differing opinions on insurance and many other things. 

I'll stop now because this will lead to too many snarky comments reducing it to nothing.  I'll save those for others on here.

[Conan71]

The pill - up to $600 a year plus office visits.  An example.  http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/alpha-consumer/2010/08/27/how-much-does-birth-control-cost

I'll pass on the abortion comment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_justice


That wasn't her stance.

You and I have differing opinions on insurance and many other things. 

I'll stop now because this will lead to too many snarky comments reducing it to nothing.  I'll save those for others on here.

There's no need to reduce it to snark, the facts and figures are very simple. 

Even at the top end in the article you provided, It's $1800 over three years plus whatever the co-pay is for a "female" visit, I'm assuming $20, so $1860.  That's a far cry from $3000 and $1860 would be an exception.  I gave my daughter an extra $30 a month in her grocery money to "keep her hormones regulated" while in college.   I suppose that's the rub to me, why would someone expect people they don't know to help foot the cost of something as personal as birth control?

Fluke did believe that BC should have been included in the student health insurance plan which means she expected someone else to pay for birth control for these students.  That much is very clear.

Insurance is a sliding scale.  How much risk and expense are you willing to share?  The more of it you are willing to pay, the less your premium needs to be.  Health insurance used to be essentially a hedge against the worst possible scenario, not a way to pay for all of one's healthcare costs which is what it's morphed into.  Perhaps you don't view it this way, but people get this mistaken notion that insurance companies are gratuitously ripping them off on premiums when the consumer keeps demanding health insurers pay a greater share of their medications and regular medical check-ups, as well as taking on greater risks by government mandate.  (And actually, I'm glad people with pre-existing conditions will be covered and lifetime caps are now a thing of the past).

Consider what would happen to auto insurance costs if people started demanding that auto insurance also cover oil changes, filter changes, regular detailing and also pay a portion of the gasoline costs.

[Teatownclown]

I still say give Obamacare time...all the doctors and pharmaceutical reps complaining lead me to believe we are on the right course. Now, means test Medicare and the out of control Medical Industrial Complex gets reined in.... Why do you think the government is the problem when it's the insurance mob?



Single payer remains the only real solution....

[heironymouspasparagus]

The result of the proposed republican budget was a net decrease in deficit of $4.4 trillion over 10 years, and avoids what was then estimated as $1.5 trillion in tax increases as a result of Obamacare. http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pathtoprosperityfy2012.pdf  We now know that number is much higher.  Hindsight is a wonderful thing.  We now see that the current path (virtually unchanged from the Bush era because no one could get a budget passed Harry) adds about a trillion a year.  The president's plan would have added about the same.  I would have liked to see a plan that cut far more spending and instituted some budgetary rules, but nothing, nothing, nothing was ever going to get passed Harry.  Not the president's budget, not the Republican budget, and there sure as hell wasn't going to be anything touched by the Senate.

What color is the sky in your world?? 

OBVIOUSLY, since we actually have spending going on for fiscal 2012, it got past Harry.  And it was the amount approved by the House to get there - which just "happened" to be higher than what Obama proposed.  Yeah...Harry made that happen.  Since he is the one that controls the initiation of all spending bills in the US.  Oh, wait...there's that pesky reality thing again....

In addition to being a higher spending amount than the Obama budget requested, it was a higher deficit amount than the Obama proposed, too.  By MORE than a quarter of a trillion dollars.

Buy hey, in MurdochianFantasyWorld, that's the way they roll...  don't matter how you try to "Bill OReilly" it (spin), the fact is Boner started the parade.  No doubt the rest ending up getting on board, but it Boner hadn't had such a 'h***-**" to just do anything as long as it was different from what Obama proposed, we would have been spending LESS and the deficit and the national debt would have been smaller.  No way you can squirm out from under that one. 

Sounds a lot like what the extremist right accuses the left of all the time.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I just figured out what's wrong - it's not the color of the sky in their world, it's that their heads are on backwards.  Like this;

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/36320/bizarre-looking+sheep+with+an+upside-down+head+sparks+debate+video/

[nathanm]

THEN an indebtedness accrues. 

Maybe. Government agencies often do not spend all the money that has been appropriated. Like the DOE green energy loan program.

[Townsend]

Lindsay Lohan endorsed Romney.

Congratulations.

[Conan71]

Lindsay Lohan endorsed Romney.

Congratulations.

Well, we know it wasn't because Rmoney was doing body shots with her.

[Townsend]

Well, we know it wasn't because Rmoney was doing body shots with her.

She almost talked him into doing coffee at a party once.

[guido911]

Lindsay Lohan endorsed Romney.

Congratulations.

That should just about seal everything up for ol' Mitt.

[erfalf]

Because targeting the lowest common denominator is not the exclusive realm of the right.