Ryan blows it durring the debate. . .

[guido911]

How far from breech is your head, Gweed?  You guys crack me up!

Are you still talking? I would be beyond embarrassed if I were you. Someone please throw this guy a life preserver.

[nathanm]

What were the specific lies Ryan told last night

Here was my list from last night. Yes, I took notes. It's a compulsion.

#1: That the administration did not acknowledge that the attack in Benghazi was a terrorist attack for "weeks." Except that Obama's 9/12 statement in fact called it a terrorist attack. Oops.

#2: That a new SOFA could have been negotiated in Iraq. The fact of the matter is that the majority of the Iraqi parliament made very clear that they would not brook any agreement whatsoever, leaving our troops open to being prosecuted by the Iraqis or someone else.

#3: Ryan claimed that more can be done on Iran short of invading the country, which he refused to endorse. We already have sanctions as tough as is possible. To be fair, Biden's claim that the sanctions are working or can work is also a lie. Most of the rest of the world simply doesn't care to stop buying oil from Iran. The only people being hurt by the Rial's decline is the Iranian middle and lower classes. The government is still selling as much oil as they were 4 years ago, and thus has plenty of money.

#4: Ryan claimed that Iran has the fissile material necessary to make "five" nuclear weapons. They have the fissile material necessary to make zero nuclear weapons. Thus far, they have only 20% enriched uranium, which is necessary for their research reactor that makes medically useful isotopes, and LEU. Neither can be used to make a bomb without further processing which requires enough energy use to be very obvious to the intelligence community. Moreover, both spoke as if a new arms race would be sparked off in the region when in fact Pakistan and Israel both already have nuclear weapons and none of the other countries in the region have the resources necessary to develop them at the present time. (obviously, the saudis can afford it)

#5: Ryan claimed that the jobs picture is moving in the wrong direction. When Obama took office, more than 700,000 people a month were losing their jobs. Now month in and month out over 100,000 people gain employment. That is the correct direction.

#7: Ryan claimed that China owns a large portion of our debt. It's actually less than 20%.

#8: Ryan claimed that Obama's $716 billion cut was unilateral. It was not, it was agreed to by the AMA and hospitals in exchange for the individual mandate. He also claimed that Social Security benefits would have to be cut by 25% in a few decades when the trust fund runs out, implying that Obama believes that nothing should be done on the issue, which is not true. Moreover, by simply removing the cap on SS contributions, its solvency would be ensured out to 2080 or more. (and rich people would get more bennies in exchange..win win)

#9: Thank Biden for this one: Ryan's Medicare vouchers by definition cannot save money if they cover 100% of any medical cost increases unless they somehow magically reduce the rate of medical cost inflation all on their own.

#10: That the Taliban need refuge in Afghanistan. Ever since we invaded, the Taliban have been using the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (nominally Pakistani territory) as a base, crossing the Afghan border with impunity. Ryan managed to have quite the discussion about "fighting seasons" without figuring that one out.

This isn't numbered because it's just dumb and not an actual lie: Ryan thinks that our enemies will somehow be confused into not returning to Afghanistan as he claims they will if we simply don't preannounce a date for withdrawal from Afghanistan. Does he think they'll just forget?

Regardless of all that, the main thing I took away from the debate from what Ryan said is that he cannot articulate exactly how he would do anything differently than the present administration on foreign policy. He took exception with many policies of the President, but refused to say how a Romney-Ryan administration would differ. In some cases, the only way to be different would be to invade. (Iran and Syria) So color me rather unimpressed, as you probably expected.

[guido911]

Another meaningless poll, this time from Cali.

http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2012/10/12/californians-react-to-vp-debate-independents-split-moderates-see-biden-as-winner-but-vote-swtichers-32-like-romney-ryan/

[Gaspar]

PJ is having a blast with this:

[guido911]

I found these pics around the webs...

[nathanm]

Here's one for you:

[guido911]

Here's one for you:

I thought I posted that one already. That was my favorite.

[nathanm]

I thought I posted that one already. That was my favorite.

Maybe you did. I didn't see it on the summary, but it could have been a couple of pages back. As penance, I will now post the picture of Obama, Biden, and Ryan meeting before the debate:

[nathanm]

Oh, and I was just reminded of another Ryan lie: Uranium enriching centrifuges don't spin faster to enrich more uranium. The speed is dictated by the atomic weight of the materials being separated. Not being a nuclear engineer, I could be wrong, but that's what I recall from the Stuxnet discussion a while back.

[Conan71]

And when your guy loses, leave to your media arm to suggest the VP was drunk during the debate.  Not surprising.

http://www.politicususa.com/news-launches-smear-campaign-vice-president-joe-biden.html

Wow! Someone call Whine One One and get a Whaaaaaambulance!

[Hoss]

Wow! Someone call Whine One One and get a Whaaaaaambulance!

Awesome.  I can't remember how many times you and Gweed have used that one! Originality!  You guys must sing using an autotuner also!

[Gaspar]

Awesome.  I can't remember how many times you and Gweed have used that one! Originality!  You guys must sing using an autotuner also!

Here it is in blue.

Wow! Someone call Whine One One and get a Whaaaaaambulance!

[Conan71]

I think Hoss has a sad after last night's debate.

[Hoss]

Here it is in blue.

Wow! Someone call Whine One One and get a Whaaaaaambulance!

Excellent!  Now, someone provide it Gweedo-ese.  It will involve telling someone to FO, no doubt.

[Hoss]

I think Hoss has a sad after last night's debate.

Not I sir.  I found it funny to see an old man kicking a young liar in the junk so many times.