Presidential Debate, Round II

[Conan71]

On a more serious note:5 Facts You Should Commit To Memory Before Watching Tonight's Debate
By Annie-Rose Strasser on Oct 16, 2012 at 10:36 am
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/16/1018931/second-presidential-debate/

How do you square the middle class losing $4000 per year on average since Obama took office?  He was supposed to have already lifted up the middle class.

He's been just great for the Dow though!

[Gaspar]

How do you square the middle class losing $4000 per year on average since Obama took office?  He was supposed to have already lifted up the middle class.

He's been just great for the Dow though!

That's kind of interesting and begs analysis.

He has helped Wall Street.
He has helped the Monster Banks.
He has aided the super rich, and anyone willing to donate to his campaign.
He has aided big oil.

The group he has hurt the most is African-Americans with 14.4% unemployment.
He has devastated the poor.
He has vastly increased government dependence.
He has damaged the middle class.
He has increased the cost of medical care.
He has increased the cost of purchasing a used vehicle (Also hurting the poor. Cash for clunkers decimated the low cost used car inventory).
He has increased the cost of fuel by over 100%.
He continues to increase the price of all energy.
He has increased the Debt by $5 trillion dollars to be put on the backs of future tax payers.
He has destroyed the hopes of a pioneering solar industry in this country by funding failure instead of rewarding success, and in the process soured the prospect of future investment.

I think when he was elected, many casual voters supported him because he was going to teach the fat cats a lesson.  I'm not sure what that lesson was?

[Conan71]

I love how he allows his minions and PACs to keep up with the Bain Capital smear when he's accepted major contributions from Bain and Bain employees.  I wonder how many of the impoverished and lower middle class voters he's counting on to vote for him realize this?

[Hoss]

That's kind of interesting and begs analysis.

He has helped Wall Street.
He has helped the Monster Banks.
He has aided the super rich, and anyone willing to donate to his campaign.
He has aided big oil.

The group he has hurt the most is African-Americans with 14.4% unemployment.
He has devastated the poor.
He has vastly increased government dependence.
He has damaged the middle class.
He has increased the cost of medical care.
He has increased the cost of purchasing a used vehicle (Also hurting the poor. Cash for clunkers decimated the low cost used car inventory).
He has increased the cost of fuel by over 100%.
He continues to increase the price of all energy.
He has increased the Debt by $5 trillion dollars to be put on the backs of future tax payers.
He has destroyed the hopes of a pioneering solar industry in this country by funding failure instead of rewarding success, and in the process soured the prospect of future investment.

I think when he was elected, many casual voters supported him because he was going to teach the fat cats a lesson.  I'm not sure what that lesson was?

Let's see some of his accomplishments, shall we (although since this is a 'left leaning' publication, I'm sure many of you will smear it, even if citations are noted in it..and they are):

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

[erfalf]

Let's see some of his accomplishments, shall we (although since this is a 'left leaning' publication, I'm sure many of you will smear it, even if citations are noted in it..and they are):

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

http://www.polimerican.com/rebuttal-long-list-president-obamas/

[DolfanBob]

If I could I would. Will somebody please post the debate drinking game. It's perfect.

[nathanm]

Ask why it is our policy to pay banks to do nothing by lending leaving the fed funds rate at 0%. We are allowing banks to pad their balance sheets on our dime on the pretense that the government is inducing them to lend more.

Because the Fed is required by law to care about unemployment as well as inflation. Since fiscal policy on that has been blocked by Congress, the only thing the Fed can do is continue monetary easing.

Conan, I square the decline in earnings with simple supply and demand. I think you know how that works.

[erfalf]

Because the Fed is required by law to care about unemployment as well as inflation. Since fiscal policy on that has been blocked by Congress, the only thing the Fed can do is continue monetary easing.

Outside of those institutions that can borrow from the discount window, whose employment has quantitative easing helped? the Fed's only responsibility is monetary policy, ie protecting the value of our currency. The Federal Reserve is not some tool of the federal government to effect social changes or something.

[Conan71]

Impressions thus far at :55 in to the debate: Both are pretty sharp tonight.  Obama came ready to spar.  Both are short on specificity at times.

I think Crowley is doing a very credible job as moderator.

Ask me again in another hour 

[Hoss]

Haha..."Can we have you sit down Mister Romney?"  LOL.

[Cats Cats Cats]

Impressions thus far at :55 in to the debate: Both are pretty sharp tonight.  Obama came ready to spar.  Both are short on specificity at times.

I think Crowley is doing a very credible job as moderator.

Ask me again in another hour 

I agree

[Ed W]

Impressions thus far at :55 in to the debate: Both are pretty sharp tonight.  Obama came ready to spar.  Both are short on specificity at times.

I think Crowley is doing a very credible job as moderator.

Ask me again in another hour 

I was about to agree with you, but at 9:06 they started talking over each other on immigration and where each others pension is investing funds.  

Keri Latka seems like a journalist in his presentation.  He's asking who decided regarding embassy security in Libya.  Obama pivoted into an attack on Romney for making political hay out of the incident.  (I think Hillary took responsibility earlier today.  Is that true?)

[Conan71]

I was about to agree with you, but at 9:06 they started talking over each other on immigration and where each others pension is investing funds.  

Keri Latka seems like a journalist in his presentation.  He's asking who decided regarding embassy security in Libya.  Obama pivoted into an attack on Romney for making political hay out of the incident.  (I think Hillary took responsibility earlier today.  Is that true?)

At 9:26, the wine is taking hold, so any specifics are lost on me

I'm truly disappointed these are our two choices.  However, for reasons that are lost on many of you, I do see better leadership qualities in Romney, and what others are exaggerating as being "huge" flip flops, I see as an indication of an ability to compromise.

[Hoss]

At 9:26, the wine is taking hold, so any specifics are lost on me

I'm truly disappointed these are our two choices.  However, for reasons that are lost on many of you, I do see better leadership qualities in Romney, and what others are exaggerating as being "huge" flip flops, I see as an indication of an ability to compromise.

LOL....not surprising at all.

It's not the flip flops...it's the frequency of each subject in which he flips and flops.

Like you said earlier, like a sole....

[Ed W]

Tomorrow morning we'll see the columns from various pundits - on both ends of the political spectrum - telling us what we're supposed to believe about tonight's debate.  But I'm under the impression that if we asked either of these guys for the correct time, we'd get a 3 minute lecture on 'getting Americans working again, getting tough on China, and the other guy's failures.'  At the end, we still wouldn't know what time it was.