Presidential Debate, Round II

[nathanm]

Outside of those institutions that can borrow from the discount window, whose employment has quantitative easing helped?

Anyone who holds Treasuries which were converted into cash. QE and discount window lending are two completely different things.

the Fed's only responsibility is monetary policy, ie protecting the value of our currency. The Federal Reserve is not some tool of the federal government to effect social changes or something.

Take it up with the law. The Fed is required to target both a stable rate of inflation and low unemployment. It's been that way since before I was born.

[RecycleMichael]

I missed the first half tonight and have to watch the replay later.

The second half was strong Obama to me.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Outside of those institutions that can borrow from the discount window, whose employment has quantitative easing helped? the Fed's only responsibility is monetary policy, ie protecting the value of our currency. The Federal Reserve is not some tool of the federal government to effect social changes or something.

Is THAT what they are teaching you in business school??  I don't believe it.  NO legitimate business school on the planet is gonna teach what you are spewing.

Here.  This is just a little bit of what you are missing from the school days...
http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_12594.htm

[Cats Cats Cats]

At 9:26, the wine is taking hold, so any specifics are lost on me

I'm truly disappointed these are our two choices.  However, for reasons that are lost on many of you, I do see better leadership qualities in Romney, and what others are exaggerating as being "huge" flip flops, I see as an indication of an ability to compromise.

http://www.npr.org/2012/06/13/154583216/romney-as-governor-confrontation-one-big-deal

I thought maybe he was for compromise.. But 800 vetoes seems excessive for 4 years.

[Conan71]

Tomorrow morning we'll see the columns from various pundits - on both ends of the political spectrum - telling us what we're supposed to believe about tonight's debate.  But I'm under the impression that if we asked either of these guys for the correct time, we'd get a 3 minute lecture on 'getting Americans working again, getting tough on China, and the other guy's failures.'  At the end, we still wouldn't know what time it was.

Kill the thread.  Ed just won.

[Conan71]

Mrs. C and I agree, this was a dog and pony show, there's really no clear winner, and no significant new information was revealed.  I think both candidates got a chance to clarify positions on issues. I suspect Obama could see an uptick in the polls between now and the next debate simply because he didn't look catatonic this time.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Nothing new that we haven't already heard to the point of being really sick of it.  I suspect we wouldn't really miss anything at all if they just skipped the last one.

[Teatownclown]

Mrs. C and I agree, this was a dog and pony show, there's really no clear winner, and no significant new information was revealed.  I think both candidates got a chance to clarify positions on issues. I suspect Obama could see an uptick in the polls between now and the next debate simply because he didn't look cata tonic like he'd been laid this time.

Baloney. Mitt was disrespectful and pitiful. You want that? Libya scene will be what this debate will be known for. Sure, both sides spin.... I'm waiting for you to attack Candy.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Well, I used to be a big fan of Billy Graham.  Even when I disagreed with him, I felt he was an honorable man who held to his convictions regardless.

Today, his long running feelings about Mormonism being a cult have disappeared from his web site.

Now, this may or may not be due to Billy's influence - I don't know who is running the show today (probably his son) - but that is called sellout.

[Teatownclown]

At 9:26, the wine is taking hold, so any specifics are lost on me

I'm truly disappointed these are our two choices.  However, for reasons that are lost on many of you, I do see better leadership qualities in Romney, and what others are exaggerating as being "huge" flip flops, I see as an indication of an ability to compromise.

With Obama you have 4 more years to vent.... With RMoney you'd have to play a hopeless defense.

I see your future....it's venting.

[Conan71]

Baloney. Mitt was pitiful. You want that? Libya scene will be what this debate will be known for. Sure, both sides spin.... I'm waiting for you to attack Candy.

Explain in detail how he was less pitiful than Obama.  I'm dying to hear your in depth analysis.

I don't think anyone will be thinking Bengazi when they go into the voting booth unless it energizes voters who see a request for more security for someone in diplomatic detail going unheeded because the president was too busy campaigning.

I agree, on the surface, it seems really petty, yet this president has shown time and again (and the stats back me up) he's far more interested in campaigning and fund raising than any of his predecessors.  This sort of put an exclamation point on it.

No reason to attack Candy, she's the best moderator of the three debates so far.  She might have pissed off hard core conservatives on this issue, but overall, I thought she did great.

[Teatownclown]

Explain in detail how he was less pitiful than Obama.  I'm dying to hear your in depth analysis.

I don't think anyone will be thinking Bengazi when they go into the voting booth unless it energizes voters who see a request for more security for someone in diplomatic detail going unheeded because the president was too busy campaigning.

I agree, on the surface, it seems really petty, yet this president has shown time and again (and the stats back me up) he's far more interested in campaigning and fund raising than any of his predecessors.  This sort of put an exclamation point on it.

No reason to attack Candy, she's the best moderator of the three debates so far.  She might have pissed off hard core conservatives on this issue, but overall, I thought she did great.

Candy's a republican....you would never condemn her. I was wrong on that sarcastic prediction.

But in both debates, Mittens acted above the debate and was rude with verbosity. He often went way over time and broke the rules which is typical of his type of self centered politics. Businessmen who use this approach make money, but leading the free world being an arrogant bully will not work. Accusing Obama of not saying it was a terrorist attack in Libya was pitiful. Romney would be a terrible President. Even the comparison to Bush tonight was spot on.

Mitt Romney finished his climb tonight....now comes the landslide down.

[Teatownclown]

Well, I used to be a big fan of Billy Graham.  Even when I disagreed with him, I felt he was an honorable man who held to his convictions regardless.

Today, his long running feelings about Mormonism being a cult have disappeared from his web site.

Now, this may or may not be due to Billy's influence - I don't know who is running the show today (probably his son) - but that is called sellout.

HE CALLED MORMONISM A CULT!? Holy smokies! There's gotta be a story there.

A search on the term "Mormon" on the BGAE website returns six hits. One is the article mentioned above, by Thom S. Ranier. Then, there are another three articles that discuss cults, but these three pages don't contain the word "Mormon", nor are the words "Mormon", "Mormons", or "Mormonism" in the page metadata.

What does this mean? Well, in order for the website search engine to return these three pages, that discuss cults, in response to a search for the term "Mormon", the people who coded the website would have to had programmed the result into the search engine: in other words, told the search algorithm to associate the word "Mormon" with "cult".

This is more insidious even than it sounds - the first search result for the search on "Mormon" is a page with the heading,

"This couple keeps coming to our house and inviting us to come to their assembly hall to study the Bible. I'd like to know something about the Bible, but a friend of mine says this group is a cult. What exactly is a cult? They seem like nice people."
In the first two paragraphs, Billy Graham himself (the page is from Graham's My Answer column) explains,
"A cult is a group that claims that it, and it alone, has the truth about God and offers the only way to salvation. Members reject what Christians have believed for almost 2,000 years, and substitute instead their own beliefs for the clear teachings of the Bible.
Often, they add to the Bible by claiming that the books their founder wrote or "discovered" are from God, and have equal authority to the Bible. In reality, however, those books deny what the Bible says about God or Jesus, or about the way of salvation."

Nowhere does Graham suggest that said "cult" might be any particular belief, such as Mormonism, but that's unnecessary. It is well known that the Church of Mormon recognizes the new books of the Bible discovered in the early 19th Century by founder Joseph Smith - it's even been the subject of a recent Broadway play smash hit.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/16/1144973/-Billy-Graham-Prays-With-Romney-But-Mormonism-Still-a-Cult-Indicates-Graham-s-Website

[Conan71]

Wow!  I listened to Austan Goolsbee commenting after the debate. No wonder our economy is still effed up.  He's one of Obama's either a) former or b) informal economic advisors. Either he's suffered a complete separation from reality or he was dosed when they interviewed him post-debate.

Oh, and Clown, I have no idea which way Candy rolls and could care less.  She did a credible job tonight.

[Hoss]

this is pretty funny.

https://www.facebook.com/romneybindersfullofwomen

What's funnier is that it already has over 163000 likes on it...LOL.

EDIT:  The likes at this point are racking up at a rate of about 50 a second.  This is classic.

Edited again:  SNL will have a field day with this remark, I'm predicting...