Presidential Debate, Round II

[guido911]

You think health care is provided by emergency rooms?

I'm tellin on you.

[nathanm]

if for some fluke reason all the providers vanished

It's not a fluke that they're disappearing. They're disappearing in many states because states are passing laws specifically designed to make it impossible for them to continue in operation.

[erfalf]

It's not a fluke that they're disappearing. They're disappearing in many states because states are passing laws specifically designed to make it impossible for them to continue in operation.

Which laws would those be?

Roe v Wade protects all first and second term abortions (which I think almost all abortions are performed in this period) and protects abortion for medically necessary reasons for the entire time. States cannot legally prohibit anything beyond this. Third trimester, you bet they can, and I believe some have. I believe most pro-choice advocates (sane ones) are perfectly fine with states regulating the third trimester.

[nathanm]

Which laws would those be?

Laws that make it illegal to use the same facilities that providers have been using safely for many years. Because they're "dangerous" with their hallways all of six inches narrower than the new legal requirement. Or laws that require that doctors at clinics have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital when the hospitals have already refused on no real grounds other than that they don't like doctors who perform abortions.

http://www.economist.com/node/21562215

[nathanm]

[Hoss]

[Hoss]

Really getting out of hand now when Amazon comments reference this.  Funny.  At this posting, 37 pages of comments.

http://www.amazon.com/Avery-Durable-Binder-EZ-Turn-17032/product-reviews/B001B0CTMU/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

[Conan71]

[Townsend]

I read the other day he looked like the kind of guy who'd date Blanche Devereaux on Golden Girls.

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true your a pal and a confidant.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you ever knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say thank you for being a friend.

[erfalf]

Laws that make it illegal to use the same facilities that providers have been using safely for many years. Because they're "dangerous" with their hallways all of six inches narrower than the new legal requirement. Or laws that require that doctors at clinics have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital when the hospitals have already refused on no real grounds other than that they don't like doctors who perform abortions.

http://www.economist.com/node/21562215

Aren't regulations a b*tch!

[Hoss]

Aren't regulations a b*tch!

Or lack of for those people confined to wheelchairs. That six inches makes a big difference.

[erfalf]

Or lack of for those people confined to wheelchairs. That six inches makes a big difference.

The ends don't always justify the means.

[Hoss]

The ends don't always justify the means.

Wow.  Not surprising, however.

[nathanm]

Wow.  Not surprising, however.

I suspect he'll change his tune when someone in his family is confined to a wheelchair. Until only a couple of years before my mom died, she couldn't get a driver's license renewal because none of the revenue offices in Arkansas were wheelchair-accessible. So yes, a big thank you to the Feds for the ADA.

As opposed to arbitrary regulations whose specific purpose is to prevent people from getting constitutionally protected medical care.

[guido911]

Crazy Joe at it again. Joined by Harry Reid no less....