Mass Shootings the last six months

[DolfanBob]

I have a feeling that anytime one of these incidents takes place. We are going to hear more about them than before. I just hope that this is not the beginning of copy cat crimes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265837/Albuquerque-pastors-son-Nehemiah-Griego-15-shoots-family-dead-assault-rifle.html

[Conan71]

I have a feeling that anytime one of these incidents takes place. We are going to hear more about them than before. I just hope that this is not the beginning of copy cat crimes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265837/Albuquerque-pastors-son-Nehemiah-Griego-15-shoots-family-dead-assault-rifle.html

There is little doubt the media circus surrounding these events make killings like this attractive to sick people.

Many of these killers have been ignored, shunned, or been made fun of by society.  It's their way of getting even.  "No one paid attention to me before, now they will never forget me!!"

[TheArtist]

Back on the subject, there are some interesting studies that we should probably be aware of:

http://www.fox23.com/content/rant/story/FOX-RANT-Gun-Control-Evidence-it-Would-Backfire/QykhACdWYESYheYPHS7cIg.cspx

I agree with "the rant".  

Wish they would use the same reason and logic when it came to abortion and drugs, etc.  Outlawing and banning this and that isn't the direction we ultimately want to go.

The solution ultimately lies in creating a culture, a people, who "as we are taught to pray (on earth as it is in heaven)" and as it says in the Bible (in heaven the laws are not written in books or scrolls, but on the hearts and minds of men)... a culture and a people who choose to do the right thing, who have the skills and thoughts to do the right things, a society that focuses more and more on learning more and more on how to get that done versus focusing so much time, energy and money on, "lets write yet another law to ban this or that, or institute a harsher punishment".   I was always taught that Repent didn't mean "express or tell, or say your sorry", but actually meant... "to change ones feelings and ones mind and beliefs" which would then change a persons actions.  Banning abortions or guns or drugs, etc. doesn't change peoples hearts and minds, it doesn't help them become better people making better choices which would then ever more and more decrease gun violence, abortions, drug abuse, etc.

 "On earth as it is in Heaven, people doing the right thing because they both feel its the right thing do do, and understand it's the right thing to do... not because it is something written in a book or scroll and they will get punished otherwise."      Thousands of years and we still don't get it.

[Gaspar]

I agree with "the rant".  

Wish they would use the same reason and logic when it came to abortion and drugs, etc.  Outlawing and banning this and that isn't the direction we ultimately want to go.

The solution ultimately lies in creating a culture, a people, who "as we are taught to pray (on earth as it is in heaven)" and as it says in the Bible (in heaven the laws are not written in books or scrolls, but on the hearts and minds of men)... a culture and a people who choose to do the right thing, who have the skills and thoughts to do the right things, a society that focuses more and more on learning more and more on how to get that done versus focusing so much time, energy and money on, "lets write yet another law to ban this or that, or institute a harsher punishment".   I was always taught that Repent didn't mean "express or tell, or say your sorry", but actually meant... "to change ones feelings and ones mind and beliefs" which would then change a persons actions.  Banning abortions or guns or drugs, etc. doesn't change peoples hearts and minds, it doesn't help them become better people making better choices which would then ever more and more decrease gun violence, abortions, drug abuse, etc.

 "On earth as it is in Heaven, people doing the right thing because they both feel its the right thing do do, and understand it's the right thing to do... not because it is something written in a book or scroll and they will get punished otherwise."      Thousands of years and we still don't get it.

Amen!

[guido911]

List of Sheriff's not toeing the Obama line.

http://cspoa.org/sheriffs-gun-rights/

Wagoner County Oklahoma on the list.


http://www.oklahomasheriffs.com/Sheriffs%20Photos%20&%20Profiles/Colbert.htm

[Townsend]

List of Sheriff's not toeing the Obama line.

http://cspoa.org/sheriffs-gun-rights/

Wagoner County Oklahoma on the list.


http://www.oklahomasheriffs.com/Sheriffs%20Photos%20&%20Profiles/Colbert.htm

Well at least he has the back of his hair pulled back into a rat tail for this pic.  The hair over the shoulder was never a good look for him.

[Vashta Nerada]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/01/21/Cop-apparently-shoots-wife-child-self/UPI-51051358815720/

[heironymouspasparagus]

I agree with "the rant".  

Wish they would use the same reason and logic when it came to abortion and drugs, etc.  Outlawing and banning this and that isn't the direction we ultimately want to go.

....Banning abortions or guns or drugs, etc. doesn't change peoples hearts and minds, it doesn't help them become better people making better choices which would then ever more and more decrease gun violence, abortions, drug abuse, etc.

 "On earth as it is in Heaven, people doing the right thing because they both feel its the right thing do do, and understand it's the right thing to do... not because it is something written in a book or scroll and they will get punished otherwise."      Thousands of years and we still don't get it.

So true.  Better watch out - you'll get a "rep" around here....


We have proven conclusively that a culture of prohibition doesn't work as intended.  It DOES create levels of lawlessness as well as massive opportunities to generate huge amounts of illicit cash used to further those criminal endeavors (not to mention the power and corruption that can buy). 

I am not optimistic about realistic approaches to these problems.  There are too many vested interests interested in maintaining the failed policies we pursue.  Sadness ensues....

[DolfanBob]

And another School shooting.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/lone-star-college-campus-locked-shooting/story?id=18287086

[Conan71]

Now let's see how much misinformation the media can disseminate in the next 24 hours and how many inaccurate comparisons they can make to Newtown and Aurora.

[Townsend]

Now let's see how much misinformation the media can disseminate in the next 24 hours and how many inaccurate comparisons they can make to Newtown and Aurora.

I've seen this tweet:

3 people, including 1 gunman, wounded in #shooting, 4th had heart attack, Lone Star College spokesman, feds say.

[patric]

Now let's see how much misinformation the media can disseminate in the next 24 hours and how many inaccurate comparisons they can make to Newtown and Aurora.

Those all come from first responders and officers in the field, and they are as varied as night and day.
The latest is that the shooting wasnt an attack, but rather a domestic dispute with people in the crossfire.

[Conan71]

Those all come from first responders and officers in the field, and they are as varied as night and day.
The latest is that the shooting wasnt an attack, but rather a domestic dispute with people in the crossfire.

Next it will be an accidental discharge:

"Hey Willie, hold my beer an' watch this!"

[patric]

Keeping up with the Jonese's, Owasso is spending $30,000 to equip their officers with AR-15 assault rifles.

I heard it was a donation, since the city seems to be paying other PD-related bills lately.  

[patric]

I was thinking immediately of Bank of America at 21st and Utica. Never saw a guard there and I banked there for many years til I wised up. Bank of Oklahoma in Brookside. Saw one there once and I have banked there for many years. I have personally never seen more than one old guard at TTCU though I've just been there for a year. I may not see them cause their busy watching TV monitors.

Weird coincidence?

Man Shot By Security Guard After Robbing Tulsa Credit Union
Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:09 PM EST Updated: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:48 PM EST

TULSA, Oklahoma - A man was shot after holding up a TTCU branch Wednesday, police say. TPD says that security guard fired several shots at the suspect, hitting him at least once.
Police say a man with a gun hopped the counter, demanded cash and left with an undisclosed amount of money.
But once the suspect made it outside, police say he was met by a retired Tulsa Police officer, who now works on site as a security guard.
"The individual was shot at several times by an off-duty security officer, who was working inside the bank," Officer Leland Ashley said.
A tree out front was marked by two stray bullets, and a customer's windshield also took a hit. The car's owner was inside the credit union when the shots were fired.  http://www.newson6.com/story/20660915/tulsa-police-man-shot-while-robbing-credit-union-on-pine