Mass Shootings the last six months

[nathanm]

Second, we keep going down this road on restrictions to magazines, or handles, or flash suppressors, or plastic grips.  None of which have anything at all to do with crazy people getting guns and shooting kids.  So to say that "reasonable minds will settle this debate" is actually quite true.  Reason is necessary to look at these tragedies as well as other current and historical statistics from a logical standpoint and deduct the cause, and therefore remedies for such gun violence.

I see what you did there, lumping in a reasonable restriction with the stupid ones to make it sound stupid. Magazine capacity limits are perfectly reasonable.

H, I'm not quite sure what your objection to holding liability insurance on your weapons is? Could save your donkey if some jackass steals one of your guns and shoots someone with it. Much like your auto policy will save your donkey if some jackass steals your car and injures someone with it.

[Gaspar]

I see what you did there, lumping in a reasonable restriction with the stupid ones to make it sound stupid. Magazine capacity limits are perfectly reasonable.

H, I'm not quite sure what your objection to holding liability insurance on your weapons is? Could save your donkey if some jackass steals one of your guns and shoots someone with it. Much like your auto policy will save your donkey if some jackass steals your car and injures someone with it.

You should probably go back and read the text of the assault weapons ban. Never mind.  I'll provide it so that you don't have to use the Google.

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine.

[Gaspar]

I see what you did there, lumping in a reasonable restriction with the stupid ones to make it sound stupid. Magazine capacity limits are perfectly reasonable.

H, I'm not quite sure what your objection to holding liability insurance on your weapons is? Could save your donkey if some jackass steals one of your guns and shoots someone with it. Much like your auto policy will save your donkey if some jackass steals your car and injures someone with it.

and. . .to address your other question.  NRA members can purchase Self-Defense Coverage policies.  They are inexpensive and exactly what you are indicating.  They are not a bad addition to anyone's insurance portfolio.

I'm not quite sure whey you think I/we/others "object" to that.

[Conan71]

How many laws were broken in commission of the slaughter at Sandy Hook?

None of those laws, including Connecticut's assault weapon ban prevented this tragedy from happening.  The only possible intervention which could have prevented this from happening, aside from sitting on Adam Lanza's head 24 hours a day, would have been armed resistance.

No one bats an eyelash when it's announced 1500 or so national guardsmen, state police, and auxiliary officers will be added to the streets in and around New Orleans to protect people in town for the Super Bowl.  Why does it seem hard to digest when it's suggested that our children should have beefed up protection?

It is truly sad it has come to this in 2013 America, but that is your best chance at thwarting the next Sandy Hook from happening.  Intelligent discussion is going to have to revolve around better security for schools in our nation, otherwise a raft of new laws is pretty meaningless as the next Lanza, Klebold, Harris, et. al. won't allow the law to deter their evil intentions.  It's not a matter of if it will happen again, it's a matter of when.  If children are no longer defenseless because there is now armed security protecting them, they will cease to be an easy target.

We've learned a lot since Columbine, it's simply a matter of redesigning access points to school facilities, properly training guards, there's even an easy to apply film which is bullet proof which can economically be placed on windows. 

Yes the government is stretched beyond it's means. Maybe it's time to look at priorities. One of the stated and expected functions of government is security.  I'm sure there's plenty of other less important things government can cease funding to make sure every child has a safe environment to learn in.

[nathanm]

You should probably go back and read the text of the assault weapons ban.

Why would I care about an asinine plan that was never under serious reconsideration after it expired the first time? As far as insurance goes, there are a lot of folks that were unhappy with the idea of mandatory liability insurance.

[Gaspar]

Why would I care about an asinine plan that was never under serious reconsideration after it expired the first time? As far as insurance goes, there are a lot of folks that were unhappy with the idea of mandatory liability insurance.

I completely understand that you like to argue for the sake of argument, but I seem to remember you saying somthing like:

I see what you did there, lumping in a reasonable restriction with the stupid ones to make it sound stupid.

Oh, yeah it was just up there above my reply.  The previous assault weapons ban was just that.  The new assault weapons ban introduced in the senate by Deloris Umberidge Diane Feinstein is identical with the exception of a few functional and cosmetic additions. http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=9a9270d5-ce4d-49fb-9b2f-69e69f517fb4



Feinstein wants a proclamation to ban guns.  She has for decades.  Reinstating the ban simply gets her closer to her goal.  It has nothing to do with preventing incidents like Sandy Hook or even stopping Voldemort.  It has everything to do with finishing what she attempted to start decades before Harry Potter enrolled in Hogwarts!

[nathanm]

And how much support did Feinstein get? Oh, right, almost none. So why are you still bringing up that straw woman?

Magazine capacity limits and banning pistol grips on rifles are two completely different things.

[Gaspar]

And how much support did Feinstein get? Oh, right, almost none. So why are you still bringing up that straw woman?

Magazine capacity limits and banning pistol grips on rifles are two completely different things.

Neither of which will see the light of day in the Senate.

[patric]

Everyone knows criminals don't buy there guns at the gun show or register them. They steal them from people who do. So, go ahead and get that grenade launching rifle. It will soon be on the street.

That made this Whirled blog stand out like a sore thumb:


At the first day of a preliminary hearing , prosecutors tracked the gun from its manufacturer in Austria to rural Okfuskee County.
It went to the Baltimore Police Department, back to the company, to an Okemah gun store, sold to a sheriff's deputy, traded with a reserve deputy and sold to another police officer.
That officer, John Woods, testified he sold the gun for $300 to Sweat, who was working at the Henryetta McDonald's drive through when the two met.
When originally questioned, Woods could not recall the name of the man to whom he sold the gun.
Prosecutors say that gun killed 13-year-old Taylor Paschal-Placker and 11-year-old Skyla Whitaker, both of Weleetka.

[Teatownclown]

Martin Luther King Jr. High School coach shoots attackers



http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/man-shot-near-martin-luther-king-jr-high-school-in-detroit


Police sources say the coach was walking the two girls to their cars when two men allegedly approached and one pulled out a gun and grabbed him by his chain necklace. The coach then pulled out his gun and shot both of them, according to sources.

good guy

[heironymouspasparagus]

Magazine capacity limits and banning pistol grips on rifles are two completely different things.

And exactly how is a grip style gonna make any difference to anything?  Gonna keep someone from holding a gun so it can't be shot at people but can a coyote?   

Magazine limits - well, those are many times self limiting.  There was a discussion recently about a long magazine hanging up, dropped and grabbed by a woman, stopping the re-loading...Loughner??  Can't remember the details, but the impression was that the previous magazine still had cartridges and had some issue feeding the chamber.  That's why I use 20 round at a maximum - I have had enough experience with them to know the ones I have are dependable enough for self-defense use, and give me good performance when shooting targets or small game.  The 30 round I bought recently was a political statement - don't see ever using that for anything but casual target practice - never a serious shoot.

[nathanm]

And exactly how is a grip style gonna make any difference to anything?

It isn't, which is why I don't support such restrictions. Magazine capacity, on the other hand, can make a difference.

[heironymouspasparagus]

It isn't, which is why I don't support such restrictions. Magazine capacity, on the other hand, can make a difference.

No, it doesn't.  A bag full of 20's or 10's is just as lethal.  Even 7's or 5's if the person is even just mildly proficient can be just as deadly.  It ain't  the gun.  It ain't the magazine.  It's the person behind it.

[nathanm]

No, it doesn't.  A bag full of 20's or 10's is just as lethal.  Even 7's or 5's if the person is even just mildly proficient can be just as deadly.  It ain't  the gun.  It ain't the magazine.  It's the person behind it.

Most people don't aim too well, even those who are required to undergo regular training. Regardless, a crack shot with two (or twenty) 7 round clips will have the opportunity to kill fewer people than a crack shot with two (or twenty) 20 round clips. Once he/she is out, all he/she has is a really short club. Will it stop murders? No. Will it make it harder to take out a bunch of people at once? Why yes, yes it will.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Most people don't aim too well, even those who are required to undergo regular training. Regardless, a crack shot with two (or twenty) 7 round clips will have the opportunity to kill fewer people than a crack shot with two (or twenty) 20 round clips. Once he/she is out, all he/she has is a really short club. Will it stop murders? No. Will it make it harder to take out a bunch of people at once? Why yes, yes it will.

Unless they just go ahead and buy some fertilizer and rent a truck.