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Started by RecycleMichael, January 05, 2013, 01:53:02 PM

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RecycleMichael

Power is nothing till you use it.

Ed W

Meanwhile, some influential Republicans are insisting that they lost the last two presidential elections because their candidates weren't true conservatives.  (Please, please, please, stick with that idea for the next 20 years or so!)

Rubio says that Republicans don't need any new ideas (though they're apparently incapable of generating any, for that matter) and Rand Paul was certainly direct:

"The GOP of old has grown stale and moss-covered," Paul said. "I don't think we need to name any names here, do we?"

Although Paul didn't mention McCain by name, the reference was clear after McCain last week labeled Paul and other members of the new generation of conservative Republicans "wacko birds."



http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-cpac-rand-paul-marco-rubio-take-shots-at-mitt-romney-john-mccain/2013/03/14/21bd389c-8cf9-11e2-9838-d62f083ba93f_story.html
Ed

May you live in interesting times.

Hoss

Some social conservatives threaten to abondon the GOP.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/04/11/some-social-conservatives-threaten-to-abandon-gop/

Can't say I didn't see this coming.  The wheels are starting to loosen....

heironymouspasparagus

Thrilled to death that Bush is comfortable with what he did during his Presidency.  Killing over 4,000 of our kids for no good reason.  Spending trillions off-budget so he could hide the true cost to the economy.  I am happy for him that he feels comfortable with that....that he feels Iraq was the 'right thing' to do...or at least the Right Wing Extremist thing to do!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/library-opens-bush-hopes-reassessment-legacy-111102605--politics.html

"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.

patric

Not even Faux News is standing behind this one:

The head of the Republican Party threatened Monday to cut out CNN and NBC from the GOP presidential primary debates if the networks do not shelve their plans to air lengthy features on Hillary Clinton -- who is widely expected to be a Democratic candidate ...

How many federal laws did that just break?
"Tulsa will lay off police and firemen before we will cut back on unnecessarily wasteful streetlights."  -- March 18, 2009 TulsaNow Forum

Townsend

Quote from: patric on August 05, 2013, 01:12:19 PM
Not even Faux News is standing behind this one:

The head of the Republican Party threatened Monday to cut out CNN and NBC from the GOP presidential primary debates if the networks do not shelve their plans to air lengthy features on Hillary Clinton -- who is widely expected to be a Democratic candidate ...

How many federal laws did that just break?

He'll be disappeared when she wins in '16.

Gaspar

She is a shoe-in, and better than anything the Republican party currently has to offer.

She is also, like her husband, deeply concerned about her legacy, instead of just ideology. 

Hopefully that means she is willing to reverse the policies of failure.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Townsend

Quote from: Gaspar on August 05, 2013, 01:28:52 PM
She is a shoe-in, and better than anything the Republican party currently has to offer.

She is also, like her husband, deeply concerned about her legacy, instead of just ideology.  

Hopefully that means she is willing to reverse the policies of failure.

Not sure she can do anything about the actions of this House and the Tea Party line.

Hoss

Quote from: Townsend on August 05, 2013, 01:35:18 PM
Not sure she can do anything about the actions of this House and the Tea Party line.

I hate to say this, but I think the closest thing to getting a mainstream Republican candidate for the next Presidential cycle might be Chris Christie.  He's not afraid (well, for the most part) of telling his party to go to hell when it needs it.  It's needed it now since about the last week of Jan, 2011.  Perhaps a little earlier.

Pretty sad when Ronald Reagan would likely be vilified as a socialist liberal with the current strain of Republicans in Washington.

Gaspar

Quote from: Hoss on August 05, 2013, 01:43:33 PM
I hate to say this, but I think the closest thing to getting a mainstream Republican candidate for the next Presidential cycle might be Chris Christie.  He's not afraid (well, for the most part) of telling his party to go to hell when it needs it.  It's needed it now since about the last week of Jan, 2011.  Perhaps a little earlier.

Pretty sad when Ronald Reagan would likely be vilified as a socialist liberal with the current strain of Republicans in Washington.

I don't think Christie has a chance at the nomination.  I think the GOP will move even further to the right, and pick one of the young conservative voices.  I think it will be a disaster, because forces from a growing Libertarian movement, along with a very successful Tea Party establishment will just further divide the vote.

The more important question is what happens to congress?  I think we will get some vision of this in the next midterm. 
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Townsend

Quote from: Gaspar on August 05, 2013, 01:59:33 PM
I don't think Christie has a chance at the nomination.  I think the GOP will move even further to the right, and pick one of the young conservative voices.  I think it will be a disaster, because forces from a growing Libertarian movement, along with a very successful Tea Party establishment will just further divide the vote.

The more important question is what happens to congress?  I think we will get some vision of this in the next midterm. 

One more step in the direction the House has traveled and there will soon be feces thrown.

Hoss

Quote from: Gaspar on August 05, 2013, 01:59:33 PM
I don't think Christie has a chance at the nomination.  I think the GOP will move even further to the right, and pick one of the young conservative voices.  I think it will be a disaster, because forces from a growing Libertarian movement, along with a very successful Tea Party establishment will just further divide the vote.

The more important question is what happens to congress?  I think we will get some vision of this in the next midterm.  

You would think that their realization and subsequent ignorance of needing to reach out to minority voters and younger women will hurt them.  They have almost a bullet-proof majority in the house.  I say almost because there is still over a year left until mid-terms.  We've seen how the Republicans can screw up a sure thing lately.

Gaspar

Quote from: Hoss on August 05, 2013, 02:19:22 PM
You would think that their realization and subsequent ignorance of needing to reach out to minority voters and younger women will hurt them.  They have almost a bullet-proof majority in the house.  I say almost because there is still over a year left until mid-terms.  We've seen how the Republicans can screw up a sure thing lately.

Their majority in the house was not of their own doing.  It was the result of public backlash from Obamacare, and a very successful Tea Party movement pushing establishment republicans out of office. Few of the challengers from the Democrat side were willing to acknowledge any support for Obamacare, and those who did could neither explain or defend it. It became an easy campaign target.

In the upcoming election, the subject of Obamacare will continue to be a handicap due to the fact that only 35% of Americans support it.  I expect that Hillary will fully embrace this opportunity to present her own health plan, or revised Obamacare plan, to remove that stigma from her party.  Both parties should welcome this as an opportunity.

As a rule, the Clintons have always been very pro-small business, so I suspect that whatever alterations become part of her platform, they will likely erase the burdens placed on the small business world as a result of Obamacare.

We shall see. There is a long time until the election, and plenty of opportunity for some scandal to limit her viability. Who knows, our special little guy could become president.



I just doubt we will see a Republican president for a while, and if we continue to grow government dependency, perhaps never.

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

RecycleMichael

Quote from: Gaspar on August 05, 2013, 02:37:21 PM
I just doubt we will see a Republican president for a while, and if we continue to grow government dependency, perhaps never.

Maybe you could have a lower level national championship. Division II.
Power is nothing till you use it.

Townsend

Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 05, 2013, 02:47:51 PM
Maybe you could have a lower level national championship. Division II.

I figured that was what happened last time.

It was like a gaggle of Paul Tay's ran for president on the GOP ticket.