Gun Control Bill Dies in the Senate

[nathanm]

Sick people will still seek out and kill the weak and defenseless amongst us.

And as long as we're drowning in guns, they'll take a lot of us with them on their way out.

[Conan71]

You fill out information for home insurance? Health insurance? Licenses? Passports? Taxes? Is it just the lazy people who fear the forms? Why do you like to exaggerate what the outcome may be? Why do you use fear in the manner in which you do?

I support the rights of citizens to own firearms.

I'm just waiting for your hate and fear act on the immigration issue...again.

You do understand that if I walk into Academy Sports to purchase a conceal carry gun, I already fill out a form so they can phone in a background check, correct?

It's actually simpler than filling out an app for health insurance, life insurance, auto insurance, or a pre-op admission form.  I've filled out all of the above in the last year or so.  I personally don't know of any 2A advocates who are not for background checks.  I'm just curious what you think will be different about them just because POTUS Obama says we need them?  We already do it. 

In order to access mental health information which might disqualify someone, though, the government is going to have to have better access to private medical records.  I don't have a problem with it because I don't have any loose screws rattling around.  Curious how that's going to resonate with you.  Do you think government bureaucrats should have access to anyone's confidential medical info at their fingertips?

As far as immigration, I think everyone realizes there needs to be a sensible solution.  However, if all the president is interested in doing is trying to secure votes for future Democrat candidates rather than really make a difference, he's going to face stiff resistance.  I'm hearing some bi-partisan solutions which make great sense.  Let's see how far that gets.

[Teatownclown]

You do understand that if I walk into Academy Sports a gun show circus to purchase a conceal carry gun, I already fill out a form so they can phone in a background check slip through the cracks (like the old days ), correct?

So far, It's actually simpler than filling out an app for health insurance, life insurance, auto insurance, or a pre-op admission form.  I've filled out all of the above in the last year or so.  I personally don't know of any 2A advocates who are not for background checks.  I'm just curious what you think will be different about them just because POTUS Obama says we need them?  We already do kinda it. What about ammunition?

In order to access mental health information which might disqualify someone, though, the government is going to have to have better complete access to private medical records.  I don't have a problem with it because I don't have any loose screws rattling around (sez who?).  Curious how that's going to resonate with you.  Do you think government bureaucrats should have access to anyone's confidential medical info at their fingertips? Why not? http://gawker.com/5979916/can-animals-be-mentally-ill

As far as immigration, I think everyone realizes there needs to be a sensible solution.  However, if all the president is interested in doing is trying to secure votes for future Democrat candidates (that's the deal, sucka) rather than really make a difference, he's going to face stiff resistance.  I'm hearing some bi-partisan solutions which make great sense.  Let's see how far that gets.

Republican Latino Outreach Memo: Don't Use the Term Illegal Immigrant, or Illegals, Aliens and "Anchor Babies"
http://reason.com/blog/2013/01/29/republican-latino-outreach-memo-dont-use

You didn't get the memo?

[Conan71]

Republican Latino Outreach Memo: Don't Use the Term Illegal Immigrant, or Illegals, Aliens and "Anchor Babies"
http://reason.com/blog/2013/01/29/republican-latino-outreach-memo-dont-use

You didn't get the memo?

I'm not a Republican.  Besides Asian women are the latest to discover paternal tourism in the U.S.  Mexicans are so 2005.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Conan, it is not gun control. It is controlling the manufacture and distribution of military armaments to civilians.

You gun nuts are crazy. Even Reagan would distance himself from your stench.

Isn't it time for you to start harping on immigration?

Do you even listen to yourself??   Or think about what you are writing while writing it?

[Ed W]

...In order to access mental health information which might disqualify someone, though, the government is going to have to have better access to private medical records.  I don't have a problem with it because I don't have any loose screws rattling around.  Curious how that's going to resonate with you.  Do you think government bureaucrats should have access to anyone's confidential medical info at their fingertips?

This is one of my concerns about having government access to medical records.  There's tremendous potential for abuse, for one thing, and for another once someone's name winds up on the official list, it will be impossible to get off of it.  That's exactly like the no-fly list that TSA maintains. 

[heironymouspasparagus]

You didn't get the memo?

And as always, you ignore the reality and don't respond to the direct questions posed.  Background checks are done at gun shows.  Anytime, anywhere a dealer sells a firearm, a background check is done.

The only way to avoid that is the sale between individuals.  One individual to another individual.  The vast minority of gun sales in this country....

Hey!  Here's a thought... if you aren't against people owning guns, how about telling us what your opinion really is...like has been asked repeatedly.  Along with other questions still pending.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I'm not a Republican.  Besides Asian women are the latest to discover paternal tourism in the U.S.  Mexicans are so 2005.

Long time.  Have friends from 60's who got on that train.

[Conan71]

how about telling us what your opinion really is...like has been asked repeatedly.  

He doesn't have a personal opinion regarding anything until he reads it on HuffPo, DailyKoz, or Al Jazeera.

[Teatownclown]

Conan and Heir, why do you need assault weapons?

What's wrong with marking the box on the form stating you've been certified crazy?

[Conan71]

Conan and Heir, why do you need assault weapons?

What's wrong with marking the box on the form stating you've been certified crazy?

Who ever said I need an "assault" weapon?  Who ever said I even own one?  It is my legal right to own one if I so choose under current law. They are a lot of fun for target shooting, but not anything I'd use as a primary form of self-defense.

I will tell you why I think an "assault" weapon ban is nothing more than the popular political flavor of the day.  More people are killed by revolvers every year than "assault" weapons.  Far more people are killed by knives, drunk driving, second hand smoke, drug overdose, drowning, electrocution, etc. than rounds fired from "assault" weapons.  I even suspect more people die being beaten by a shovel or baseball bat every year.  The incidence of mass shootings using "assault" weapons is relatively small vs. other firearms.  This is just another way for legislators for a ban to make those who really haven't looked more deeply into the issue feel like they are doing something to protect them.  Legislators against a ban are making their constituents feel like they are looking out for a right guaranteed in the 2nd Amendment.

Of course, 30 round mags and flash suppressors are not mentioned in 2A.  Neither are tanks or battleships.  It's not the weapon that's the issue.  It's unhinged people and a lack of respect for life that's the real issue.  You can't legislate the evil out of people.

As far as the form goes, they do have a box to check for that.  Someone knows they will be turned down for a purchase if they check it.  So they lie.  All hoops like this do is add up to more paperwork for law-abiding citizens.  If it actually has helped screen out people who should not own a gun, it's obviously a good thing.  I also don't have a problem for individual transactions at gun shows having to be run through an FFL who is at the show.  That still doesn't stop on the street transactions nor theft.  

Part of being a responsible gun owner though is having a secure place to keep your weapon or weapons locked down.

[Teatownclown]

More people are killed by revolvers every year than "assault" weapons.

"A Killing Machine": Half of All Mass Shooters Used High-Capacity Magazines
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings#data
Looks like they are killed by high-capacity magazines....
Why do you suppose Reagan wanted belts and suspenders on assault weapon purchases?

Also, instead of fighting against a background check, why not be for background checks unless you are a man who thinks "the government is out to get him."

Part of being a responsible gun owner though is having a secure place to keep your weapon or weapons locked down.

Exactly. And when a mother fails to do so it's cause for asking why did she need those arms? Why wasn't she responsible enough to protect the public from a son she knew was not right?


Using your arguments, all drugs should not only be legal, but there should be trade shows making them available to the public. I have no problem with that.

Using this issue to prove your manhood will not work.

[patric]

[Teatownclown]

Lapierre sounds mentally ill! Under current law, gun purchasers buying firearms from federally licensed dealers are subject to background checks. As a result, more than 2 million applicants have been prohibited from purchasing guns. Unfortunately, 40 percent of firearm acquisitions are from individuals who are not licensed gun dealers and do not undergo any background checks.

The lie is the government failing to prosecute. Just as it's illegal for someone under 18 to buy cigarettes and for someone under 21 to purchase alcohol, and you don't prosecute them for it. You just don't sell it to them. That doesn't mean that they don't try. People who sell it to them DO get prosecuted.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Conan and Heir, why do you need assault weapons?

What's wrong with marking the box on the form stating you've been certified crazy?

Not even within 1,000 miles of the point.

Why do you need any of the things you need beyond food and shelter?  Start at the front door of your house and go through it all - the vast majority of the contents have nothing to do with things you 'need'.

But you know this already....