Gun Control Bill Dies in the Senate

[heironymouspasparagus]

Absolutely!!  Another area where it is NO ONE else's business except the people involved.  And while we are at it, add plural marriage to the marriage thing, in addition to same-sex.  NO ONES BUSINESS!!

[heironymouspasparagus]

Unfortunately, 40 percent of firearm acquisitions are from individuals who are not licensed gun dealers and do not undergo any background checks.

The lie is the government failing to prosecute. Just as it's illegal for someone under 18 to buy cigarettes and for someone under 21 to purchase alcohol, and you don't prosecute them for it. You just don't sell it to them. That doesn't mean that they don't try. People who sell it to them DO get prosecuted.

The real lie (and omissions) for this are the fact that Bloomberg has no clue about the 40% number - and neither did that 1994 "survey" of about 250 people - by phone - about who was buying guns where.  Less than zero information there.  Which caters to YOUR world just fine...

And the interesting little omission that you so conveniently left out is that same survey addressed this whole non-sense idea of "gun show loophole" - just when background checks were starting up AT gun shows.  And they found that under 4% of gun sales occurred at gun shows.

You just blather on blindly from Bloomberg and Brady Bunch LWRE sources the same way that others parrot "The Script" from the RWRE.

[Conan71]

"A Killing Machine": Half of All Mass Shooters Used High-Capacity Magazines
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/high-capacity-magazines-mass-shootings#data
Looks like they are killed by high-capacity magazines....
Why do you suppose Reagan wanted belts and suspenders on assault weapon purchases?

Also, instead of fighting against a background check, why not be for background checks unless you are a man who thinks "the government is out to get him."

Exactly. And when a mother fails to do so it's cause for asking why did she need those arms? Why wasn't she responsible enough to protect the public from a son she knew was not right?


Using your arguments, all drugs should not only be legal, but there should be trade shows making them available to the public. I have no problem with that.

Using this issue to prove your manhood will not work.

Why do you keep coming up with the idea I'm not for background checks? I'm very much for background checks.  Not sure where you come up with your "all drugs should be legal" but hey, it's your reality.  Mother Jones isn't exactly known for statistical accuracy and reading the article you linked to it even states what type of clips were used was unclear.  Great methodology, MJ!

Speaking of reality: Sandy Hook happened in spite of an "assault" weapon ban which specifically spelled out that Bushmasters like the one allegedly used in that killing were illegal to possess in the state of Connecticut.  There are also laws which prohibit discharging a weapon in the city limits, laws against bringing firearms onto school property, aiming a loaded firearm at other people, transporting loaded firearms, and even using a firearm to kill people. The reality is, a gun ban nor any of those other laws prevented this tragedy from happening.  Even enhanced background checks apparently would not have prevented this.  The one person who could have kept this from happening apparently did not appreciate the responsibility she had as a gun owner to keep them secure and out of reach of her crazy son.  It's not the fault of the rest of responsible gun owners this tragedy happened.

If the government wants to classify "assault" weapons like fully automatics and require special licensing, so be it.  That does not impinge on my right to defend myself, there are still plenty of other legal means to do so which are far more practical for home defense.  Enhanced background checks are certainly sound logic.

However, nothing in the way of new restrictions or better background checks will prevent the criminally insane from doing criminally insane things.  If discussion does not include and result in better school security, no amount of regulation on lawful gun owners, sellers, and buyers will make a difference in preventing tragedies like this from happening in the future.

[Teatownclown]

Wayne Laughier testified in 1999 that he was all for comprehensive background checks. Funny how the tea heads have taken over the NRA too.
The NRA was originally a gun control organization. Now, they represent everything mean and angry and hateful about the distribution of arms. Again I will ask, why do you need these weapons? And if it is to protect yourselves from your government then what does that say about you?

In other words, he was for background checks right up to the point when the "black guy" got elected. Notice, whenever ANY Republican talks about policy on any subject they go to "THIS administration is a FAILURE" totally ignoring and/or dismissing everything he's ever done or said.

[Hoss]

Wayne Laughier testified in 1999 that he was all for comprehensive background checks. Funny how the tea heads have taken over the NRA too.
The NRA was originally a gun control organization. Now, they represent everything mean and angry and hateful about the distribution of arms. Again I will ask, why do you need these weapons? And if it is to protect yourselves from your government then what does that say about you?

In other words, he was for background checks right up to the point when the "black guy" got elected. Notice, whenever ANY Republican talks about policy on any subject they go to "THIS administration is a FAILURE" totally ignoring and/or dismissing everything he's ever done or said.

The NRA is nothing more than a lobbying group for gun manufacturers.  I'll never become a member for that specific reason.  At one point I understand they USED to be for the gun owner.  I know many likeminded gun owners who feel the same way.

[Conan71]

Wayne Laughier testified in 1999 that he was all for comprehensive background checks. Funny how the tea heads have taken over the NRA too.
The NRA was originally a gun control organization. Now, they represent everything mean and angry and hateful about the distribution of arms. Again I will ask, why do you need these weapons? And if it is to protect yourselves from your government then what does that say about you?

In other words, he was for background checks right up to the point when the "black guy" got elected. Notice, whenever ANY Republican talks about policy on any subject they go to "THIS administration is a FAILURE" totally ignoring and/or dismissing everything he's ever done or said.

Quit being such a racist.  It really cheapens your argument.

[TulsaRufnex]

Disarming people dramatically increases their odds of becoming victims.  The right to carry has kept millions from becoming victims.

Who's ignoring victims here?

Another gun nut lie.
http://guninformation.org/

MYTH: Keeping guns in the home increases personal protection.
TRUTH: Obviously, self defense is not a good argument against gun control since those who own firearms are actually more likely to be victims of homicide. Two studies published in The New England Journal of Medicine revealed that keeping a gun in the home increases the risk of both suicide and homicide. Keeping a gun in the home makes it 2.7 times more likely that someone will be a victim of homicide in your home (in almost all cases the victim is either related to or intimately acquainted with the murderer) (source) and 4.8 times more likely that someone will commit suicide (source). Guns make it more likely that a suicide attempt will be successful than if other means were used such as sleeping pills.

MYTH:"Guns don't kill, people kill people" is a good argument against gun control.
TRUTH: This pro-gun argument makes about as much sense as claiming that "glasses don't see, eyes see" is a good argument against wearing glasses. Glasses are a tool which help people to see just as guns are a tool that help people to kill and injure others. Empirical research indicates that firearms increase the chances that a crime will turn deadly. A study done by the National Commission on the Causes and Prevention of Violence reported that a victim is about five times more likely to survive if an attacker is armed with a knife rather than a gun (source). Furthermore, The International Crime Victim Survey concluded that there is a correlation between gun ownership and an increase in both homicide and suicide.

And yes, a significant part of the gun nut argument is racist.
Every time you talk about Trayvon Martin, you prove that point in a pretty blatant way.

Walkable urban areas where everyone packs heat are not safe urban environments for ANYBODY.

[TulsaRufnex]

I stopped in at Bass Pro Shops this evening on the way home and bought a 30 round magazine for my Ruger Mini 14.  Just be-cause.  Just because some ignorant Chicago political hack has the nerve to TRY to tell me that he knows better than I, how to live my life!  (Oh!!...did I leave out "arrogant, self-righteous, hypocritical political hack"....  sorry!)

Also, gotta keep up the appearances of being a cantankerous old fart.  What would my kids and grandkids say if I let them down like that!!  CAN NOT disappoint the heirs!!  

Probably won't ever use it, but at least I have it in case of Zombies!!  Or wild hog hunting!!!  Hmmm....maybe I will use it....

 Gunscum.  That's all you are.  Now get back to your fruity talk comparing MILITARY STYLE GUNS & AMMO THAT CAN ONLY BE USED TO MOW DOWN PEOPLE to baseball bats or soccer balls.

I get tired of partisan gun hacks from the boondocks or the burbs telling me that Chicago would be safer if everyone was packing heat.

Idiots.

[heironymouspasparagus]

 Gunscum.  That's all you are.  Now get back to your fruity talk comparing MILITARY STYLE GUNS & AMMO THAT CAN ONLY BE USED TO MOW DOWN PEOPLE to baseball bats or soccer balls.

I get tired of partisan gun hacks from the boondocks or the burbs telling me that Chicago would be safer if everyone was packing heat.

Idiots.

Wow!  What an imaginative name caller...  so clever of you.   But hey, I guess that's what the rest of the world has come to expect from their soccer hooligans, so why should we be any different, eh?  And if that's all ya got, I guess ya gotta go with it...     Your signature pretty well puts it all out in front - your hero is Noel Lemon, whose quote directly stated that his goal was to feed the hate.


As for being safer with concealed carry, well all you have to do is look at and study the results for the other 48 states that have embraced it and see that the violent crimes rates have reduced - more than without (you do know how to read....??).  Probably one of the reasons so many - most - legitimate law enforcement personnel are in favor.  (Like the latest - the sheriff in Wisconsin).  And exactly opposite the Blobama Brady Bunchers.

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MILITARY STYLE GUNS & AMMO THAT CAN ONLY BE USED TO MOW DOWN PEOPLE...

And you wonder why you have so little credibility on this topic??  You don't even understand that most basic fact that you cannot judge the book by the cover - looks don't mean a thing, it's what inside that counts, and a .223 is an extremely valuable round for a wide variety of shooting sports.  None of which involve mowing down people!  (Do you use that same logic in your dealings with people - just look at the outside and make your uninformed, snap judgements based on the color of the covering??)

It's hard to argue with success, but that is exactly what the Brady Buncher's do.  Fly in the face of reality.  They are the LWRE equivalent of Birthers - repeating the chant in hopes that normal people will finally be worn down and go along with their ignorance just to shut them up.

[Conan71]

Another gun nut lie.
http://guninformation.org/
And yes, a significant part of the gun nut argument is racist.
Every time you talk about Trayvon Martin, you prove that point in a pretty blatant way.

Walkable urban areas where everyone packs heat are not safe urban environments for ANYBODY.

Bad night of PWI for Ruff, I guess.

Don't go off on partisan hackery when you cite uninformed biased bloggers for your sources.

As far as there being a higher chance of homicide in my home with a loaded weapon, that would be correct.  Once someone breaks in my door, there will be a homicide- justifiable homicide.  Neither my wife nor I have depressive issues, so the chances of suicide in my home is 0%, that is unless one of my cats or my Yorkie grows an opposable thumb and decides to end it all.  My wife prefers not to be a victim of rape or murder if she is home alone, I can respect that. 

Advocating responsible self-defense is hardly gun-nuttery. 

[nathanm]

You're more likely to get your gun taken away from you and used against you than you are to successfully use it in self defense. Maybe not you personally, but people in general. Moreover, that gun is quite likely to get stolen from you if you don't carry it with you at all times. Then it'll be sold and used on some poor bastard who wasn't quick enough in handing over his wallet. I guess the answer is even more guns?

[Gaspar]

You're more likely to get your gun taken away from you and used against you than you are to successfully use it in self defense.

If that is food for thought, we may starve.

[Conan71]

You're more likely to get your gun taken away from you and used against you than you are to successfully use it in self defense. Maybe not you personally, but people in general. Moreover, that gun is quite likely to get stolen from you if you don't carry it with you at all times. Then it'll be sold and used on some poor bastard who wasn't quick enough in handing over his wallet. I guess the answer is even more guns?

That is one of the dumbest meme's being perpetrated by the anti-gun crowd.  I like my chances a whole lot better against an armed intruder or attacker if I am armed.

A gun in the hands of a properly trained person who is responsible in either keeping it on them or locked down when not on them is good defense.  Good SDA instructors not only assure you know how to fire a weapon but also know how to avoid having it taken from you.  I wouldn't take the class from anyone who doesn't also include advanced self-defense as a part of the curriculum. 

Now, a gun in the hands of a hapless idiot who doesn't appreciate the responsibility of owning a firearm will likely have it used on them or end up getting it stolen that does happen, but there's no credible evidence to suggest this happens more often than not.

[nathanm]

Now, a gun in the hands of a hapless idiot who doesn't appreciate the responsibility of owning a firearm

There are a lot of hapless idiots that own guns. The problem isn't responsible gun ownership. The problem is the overwhelming amount of irresponsible gun ownership. Over 100,000 guns are stolen each year in this country, mostly from people's houses. This isn't just a few idiots not locking up their guns. It's a lot of idiots not locking up their guns.

[Conan71]

There are a lot of hapless idiots that own guns. The problem isn't responsible gun ownership. The problem is the overwhelming amount of irresponsible gun ownership. Over 100,000 guns are stolen each year in this country, mostly from people's houses. This isn't just a few idiots not locking up their guns. It's a lot of idiots not locking up their guns.

I get where you are coming from, that sounds like a large number but as a percent 100K represents only .0005 percent of the estimated 200 million privately-owned firearms.  That's .00028 of the estimated 350 million total between LEO, armed forces, and other government entities.  Hell they are even stolen from cop's homes and cars.

People need to realize a night stand, freezer, silverware drawer or glove box or center console of a car is not a gun safe.  There again, no one seems to be able to delineate how many stolen firearms weren't already reported stolen by someone else prior to the latest theft.  In other words, how many of those stolen firearms were one criminal stealing from another when it was reported as stolen? 

Most gun owners I know are very anal about properly secured and anchored safes in their home and mini safes in their vehicle.