Sequesterization?

[nathanm]

Government is a morphallactic.  Jobs are never actually lost.

This is factually untrue. Total government employment in may 2010 was within a hair's breadth of 23 million people. As of the last stats, the government now employs a total of 21,869,000 people. I'm sure the slightly over 2 million people who no longer have jobs would disagree with you about government jobs never being lost.

[guido911]

Maybe you should try reading the article for once as well....    The Bush program was cancelled in 2009...  This is an entirely new set of helicopters.. 

The Daily Beast reported Friday that the 23 or more new choppers based on the Sikorsky S-92 medium helicopter will be delivered, but not until 2022.
That means Obama, whose administration has green-lighted the expense, will likely never ride in the shiny new aircraft.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/09/obama-s-new-helicopter-fleet-could-cost-20-billion.html

Ouch.

[RecycleMichael]

Show me the link to Obama. Remember, gaspar started this thread saying these were to take Obama on golf outings.

This program was started under Bush, cancelled by the Department of Defense under Obama, and now restarted under the Department of Defense. It will never be used by Obama.

From wikipedia...

In April 2002, the Department of Defense (DOD) initiated the VXX program to develop a new presidential/VIP helicopter transportation system. The helicopter program was assigned to the United States Navy. A delivery date of 2011 was set.[9] The White House asked the Secretary of Defense to accelerate the development of the new aircraft in November 2002, and DOD said it would have a new aircraft ready by the end of 2008.[5] To do so, DOD asked companies bidding on the aircraft design to begin development and production at the same time.[9]

Specifications for the new aircraft were kept secret. Industry publications and testimony at congressional briefings revealed, however, that the helicopter was to be 64 feet (20 m) long, carry 14 passengers, be able to carry several thousand pounds of baggage and gear, and have a greater range than the VH-3D or VH-60N. The helicopter's defensive capabilities were to include a radar jamming and deception system to ward off anti-aircraft missiles, and hardening of key electronics against nuclear electromagnetic pulse. It also was to include an encrypted telecommunications system and videoconferencing.[8]

Lockheed Martin and Sikorsky Aircraft competed against one another for the contract. Lockheed partnered with AgustaWestland, a joint British and Italian aircraft company, and offered a version of the AgustaWestland AW101. Sikorsky proposed using its S-92.[10] The Navy awarded the contract to Lockheed Martin in January 2005,[11] to develop and build 28 helicopters.[10] The helicopter was designated VH-71 Kestrel.[5] Five of the initial less-sophisticated VH-71 version were due for delivery in 2010, with 23 of the upgraded version due for delivery in 2015. The goal was to retire all VH-3Ds and VH-60Ns along with the five initial VH-71s at that time, leaving the Marine One fleet with 23 helicopters.[8]
By March 2008, the $6.1 billion cost of the 28 helicopters had skyrocketed to $11.2 billion. Members of Congress were shocked to discover that each VH-71 would cost $400 million—more than a single Air Force One Boeing VC-25 airliner. Lockheed Martin blamed the Navy for the cost overruns, saying that more than 1,900 extra requirements were added to the project after the contract was signed. The Navy said no extra requirements were added. It blamed having to redesign the VH-71 to Navy standards, and an incomplete understanding by the Navy and Lockheed Martin on just how much retrofitting the civilian aircraft would need to meet the White House's specifications.[8]

In June 2009, the VH-71 program was canceled due to these cost overruns.[11] By this time, cost estimates had ballooned to more than $13 billion.[9] The Government Accountability Office issued a report in March 2011 that pointed to three sources for the cost overruns. First, asking for development at the same time as production led to extensive retrofitting of built models. Second, a full-scale review of the system's requirements did not occur until four months after production started. Only then was it discovered that the VH-71's design could not meet the system's needs. Third, DOD and the White House asked for excessive combat and communications capabilities.[9]

Immediately after the program's cancellation, however, the Marine Corps started the program again.[11] This time, instead of development and production running concurrently, the Corps created an Initial Capabilities Document (ICD) which more clearly outlined the aircraft's requirements. DOD approved the ICD in August 2009, naming it the VXX Helicopter Replacement Program.[11] The Navy asked private industry in February 2010 for an Analysis of Alternatives (AOA) to meet the aircraft's mission needs. Among the options the Navy suggested were purchasing a single aircraft, but developing two variations on it. A second option raised by the AOA was to buy two different aircraft—one a "civilian" version with a bathroom, executive suite, and galley, and one a "military" version with complete command and control capabilities. The AOA drew interest from more than two companies, unlike the previous competition. These included Boeing, which told the press that either its CH-47 Chinook or Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey could meet the AOA's requirements. Since the AOA contemplated a much longer development and production process, the Navy said it intended to spend $500 million to keep the VH-3Ds and VH-60s flying.[12] The company also said it could adapt the VH-71, should the Navy and Marine Corps wish to proceed with that as the base aircraft.[13]

DOD waived the requirement that companies develop a prototype on July 10, 2013. The department's analysis showed that the cost of producing a prototype was unlikely to generate any benefits. The department also said that it was proceeding with VXX development using an in-production aircraft with existing, proven systems.[14] A draft request for proposals was released on November 23, 2012.[15]
By August 2013, all interested companies (including Northrop Grumman-AgustaWestland and Bell-Boeing) had withdrawn from the VXX bidding process except Sikorsky Aircraft. Sikorsky had partnered with Lockheed Martin, and said it intended to use its S-92 as the base aircraft.[15] A new deadline of 2020 was established for the 23-helicopter fleet to be in operation.[15]

[TeeDub]

Show me the link to Obama. Remember, gaspar started this thread saying these were to take Obama on golf outings.

First, you should never cite wiki, it is often full of errors and teachers would look down on you.   (Plus it is the lazy man's way to get around doing their own research.)

Second, the program was cancelled previously and return to life under Obama...   Um.    from the article  "That means Obama, whose administration has green-lighted the expense, will likely never ride in the shiny new aircraft."

[guido911]

First, you should never cite wiki, it is often full of errors and teachers would look down on you.   (Plus it is the lazy man's way to get around doing their own research.)

Second, the program was cancelled previously and return to life under Obama...   Um.    from the article  "That means Obama, whose administration has green-lighted the expense, will likely never ride in the shiny new aircraft."

From "ouch" to:

[RecycleMichael]

Please explain how this program in any way helps Obama.

If not, then post all the pictures you want. You are just proving your inability to actually think.

[Conan71]

By the time these choppers finally are delivered, the existing fleet will be nearly 50 years old.  I still don't see the need for 20-25, but that's how the Pentagon likes to spend our money.

[TeeDub]

Please explain how this program in any way helps Obama.

If not, then post all the pictures you want. You are just proving your inability to actually think.

How this helps Obama?   I'm sure if you followed the money it does...   Unfortunately I don't have any pictures of large bundles of cash left under people's desks.

A one bidder contract, from a company with a "rich" history?   Obama's administration restarted the program?    You could be right, this is probably legitimate.

1986   http://star.worldbank.org/corruption-cases/node/19234
1992   http://www.leagle.com/decision/19921231803FSupp428_11187.xml/DOOLEY%20v.%20UNITED%20TECHNOLOGIES%20CORP.
1992   http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/bribery-case-against-westland-to-go-ahead-1555985.html
2013   http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/01/04/bribery-scandal-could-leave-indias-president-stran.aspx

[RecycleMichael]

You are accusing President Obama of taking a bribe? Wow. How irresponsible.

You sure put the "you" in innuendo. 

I can't discuss this any more if you are going to fight in the gutter.

[Gaspar]

How this helps Obama?   I'm sure if you followed the money it does...   Unfortunately I don't have any pictures of large bundles of cash left under people's desks.

A one bidder contract, from a company with a "rich" history?   Obama's administration restarted the program?    You could be right, this is probably legitimate.

1986   http://star.worldbank.org/corruption-cases/node/19234
1992   http://www.leagle.com/decision/19921231803FSupp428_11187.xml/DOOLEY%20v.%20UNITED%20TECHNOLOGIES%20CORP.
1992   http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/bribery-case-against-westland-to-go-ahead-1555985.html
2013   http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/01/04/bribery-scandal-could-leave-indias-president-stran.aspx

President Obama's currency is political.  Money has little meaning for politicians at his level.  The UTC PAC gave $1.6 million dollars to campaigns in 2012, both R & D.  Much of that money came from Sikorsky execs.  They expect contracts like this in exchange.  This makes them exempt to Sequesterization as long as they have willing players in the WH and congress.

[TeeDub]

I can't discuss this any more if you are going to fight in the gutter.

How can you fight about politics anywhere else?    There isn't a moral high ground (or at least very little) anywhere in our government, irregardless of Political affiliation.

The fact stands that the president's administration green lighted the program, and while he may not get to ride on them, they are ridiculously expensive ways to travel to golf, the Hamptons, or anywhere else for that matter.

[nathanm]

How can you fight about politics anywhere else?

It's pretty simple. Don't make smile up out of whole cloth.

[RecycleMichael]

Please TeeDub, continue.

Show one piece of evidence. Just one.

TeeDub, the Donald Trump of TulsaNow.

[TeeDub]

Please TeeDub, continue.

Show one piece of evidence. Just one.

TeeDub, the Donald Trump of TulsaNow.

Isn't the fact they were ordered proof enough?   They fact a new contract was gifted after Obama halted the previous program should stand on its own.   

[RecycleMichael]

No. If you gonna call someone a criminal, you kind of need some evidence.

I ate pasta for lunch, I must be Italian.