Pitbulls Revisited

[guido911]

I just thought with the two very recent pit bull terrier attacks on the two women would warrant an new discussion on the subject.

Here's a recent TW story.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20130324_11_A1_CUTLIN656058

Personally, no breed of animal is THAT important if it jeopardizes the safety and lives of people. In order to preempt the inevitable slippery slope or straw man, same goes for other breeds of dog with that reputation.

[patric]

Personally, no breed of animal is THAT important if it jeopardizes the safety and lives of people. In order to preempt the inevitable slippery slope or straw man, same goes for other breeds of dog with that reputation.

Once upon a time, these were considered a dangerous breed:



They can be gentle, or rip you to shreds, depending on their human influences.

[Rogers64]

Forum Friends,

Pitbulls, and their type, are noble, intelligent, powerful and proud animals. They generally have more teeth, fewer tatoos, and are more intelligent than their owners. And less incestuous.

Regards,
Mike

[Ed W]

I heard somewhere that the OK legislature will soon allow us to eat pit bulls.

[Hoss]

I heard somewhere that the OK legislature will soon allow us to eat pit bulls.

Only if somewhere in the OK legislature exists a family of a member who has a pit bull slaughter house.

[Red Arrow]

Once upon a time, these were considered a dangerous breed:



They can be gentle, or rip you to shreds, depending on their human influences.

I wish I had a copy of a picture from dog training school from the 1960s.  It was a picture of one the training instructor's young (maybe 2 yrs old) daughter biting the leg of the family Doberman, also a breed of dog with a very bad reputation at that time.  The dog looked totally uninterested.  I knew that particular dog.  She was very nice. 

[Red Arrow]

I just thought with the two very recent pit bull terrier attacks on the two women would warrant an new discussion on the subject.

Personally, no breed of animal is THAT important if it jeopardizes the safety and lives of people. In order to preempt the inevitable slippery slope or straw man, same goes for other breeds of dog with that reputation.

I think the proper answer is to execute irresponsible owners and breeders that selectively breed dogs (of any breed) to accentuate viciousness.  OK, maybe that's a bit extreme but that is where the problem really is.

My mother has been actively involved in obedience training of dogs since the early 1960s.  I tagged along through my Jr/High School years.  The beginners courses had all kinds of dogs, including a lot of mixed breeds.  The more advanced levels were primarily show dogs.  Still a lot of breeds of dogs though since any AKC or UKC recognized breed of dog can be shown in obedience trials sanctioned by those organizations.  The common thread was that these owners wanted well behaved dogs.  They did not buy, breed or train dogs to be vicious. 

AKC = American Kennel Club
UKC = United Kennel Club

[guido911]

I heard somewhere that the OK legislature will soon allow us to eat pit bulls.

Mmm. Hopefully kittens are next.



This is one of my favorite photoshops,.

[tulsascoot]

What bothers me about this debate is that no one ever addresses why people get pit bulls. It is clearly their reputation as guard dogs or protectors because they are god awful UGLY dogs. Why would anyone want one of those if not for the fact that they are glorified in hiphop music.

[Hoss]

What bothers me about this debate is that no one ever addresses why people get pit bulls. It is clearly their reputation as guard dogs or protectors because they are god awful UGLY dogs. Why would anyone want one of those if not for the fact that they are glorified in hiphop music.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I guess you don't know that.

[guido911]

What bothers me about this debate is that no one ever addresses why people get pit bulls. It is clearly their reputation as guard dogs or protectors because they are god awful UGLY dogs. Why would anyone want one of those if not for the fact that they are glorified in hiphop music.

I'm allergic to fur-bearing animals, so I cannot have dogs. But I see your point. There are SO MANY breeds of dogs out there, even some that resemble pitbulls. There has to be some sort of hangup.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

[cannon_fodder]

Banning the breed will jot really help.  Many breeds have the potential to cause harm.  I agree some Pitts are bred for aggression.  I agree that MOST pit bull owners want a pittbull because of that reputation (bold statement, but still...). 

However, I know many perfectly good dog owners with really well behaved pitbulls.  Dogs that are loving and loved.  Why punish them?

Don't certain kinds of firearms have the same reputation and potential for harm if abused?

And if you are allergic to dander, a pitbull would be a good breed (it isn't really the hair most people are allergic to).  Some lines have nearly no hair and therefore carry very little dander. 

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<- allergic to everything, have 2 large dogs.  Lots of dog washing, vacuuming, and other measures (no dogs on furniture, no face touching, etc.).

[guido911]

Banning the breed will jot really help.  Many breeds have the potential to cause harm.  I agree some Pitts are bred for aggression.  I agree that MOST pit bull owners want a pittbull because of that reputation (bold statement, but still...). 

However, I know many perfectly good dog owners with really well behaved pitbulls.  Dogs that are loving and loved.  Why punish them?

Don't certain kinds of firearms have the same reputation and potential for harm if abused?

And if you are allergic to dander, a pitbull would be a good breed (it isn't really the hair most people are allergic to).  Some lines have nearly no hair and therefore carry very little dander. 

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<- allergic to everything, have 2 large dogs.  Lots of dog washing, vacuuming, and other measures (no dogs on furniture, no face touching, etc.).

The dander is my problem, but what comes out of the animals and winds up on my lawn is another in my house problem. And I wouldn't call it punishment, just an easy preemptive strike of sorts. Just look at those pics of dogs that resemble a pitbulls. Are they THAT important?

[custosnox]

The dander is my problem, but what comes out of the animals and winds up on my lawn is another in my house problem. And I wouldn't call it punishment, just an easy preemptive strike of sorts. Just look at those pics of dogs that resemble a pitbulls. Are they THAT important?

And the people that turn these dogs into the vicious animals they are will still want to turn dogs into that, and will just move on to another breed.  How long until the only dogs that are left that are considered "safe" are chihuahuas?

[Red Arrow]

How long until the only dogs that are left that are considered "safe" are chihuahuas?

Chihuahuas have teeth too.  Little dogs can be scrappy too.  It just takes more bites to inflict major damage on an adult.  How about a small child?  (Child as the bitten, not the biter.)