Oklahoma Joes Fundraiser Kerfuffle

[carltonplace]

C'est finis.

D'accord

[Conan71]

All beliefs/non-beliefs do this. 

I disagree, amongst my most truly spiritual friends, they don't speak of their beliefs unless they are asked.  But I tend to surround myself with like thinkers and tend to avoid people with superiority complexes regardless of where that complex stems from.  My beliefs work for me and that's all that matters.  As an aside, some of the most spiritual people I know never or rarely set foot in a religious institution.

I'm very much a believer, but what I believe might get someone else beaten or arrested in 11 states, that's why I don't push it on anyone else.  

[Hoss]

I disagree, amongst my most truly spiritual friends, they don't speak of their beliefs unless they are asked.  But I tend to surround myself with like thinkers and tend to avoid people with superiority complexes regardless of where that complex stems from.  My beliefs work for me and that's all that matters.  As an aside, some of the most spiritual people I know never or rarely set foot in a religious institution.

I'm very much a believer, but what I believe might get someone else beaten or arrested in 11 states, that's why I don't push it on anyone else.  

The problem is that my experience draws itself from family interaction in this instance.  You'd have to know my family to understand this.

My friends?  Sure, they don't do that.  For the same reason you state (surrounding yourself with like thinkers and other reasons that are unique to each person).

[Conan71]

Just saw this on a friend's FB page today:

"Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does"

[Gaspar]

Just saw this on a friend's FB page today:

"Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does"

LIKE

[heironymouspasparagus]

  But I tend to surround myself with like thinkers and tend to avoid people with superiority complexes regardless of where that complex stems from.  My beliefs work for me and that's all that matters.  As an aside, some of the most spiritual people I know never or rarely set foot in a religious institution.

Intellectual Inbreeding School of Thought....??


Sorry...just couldn't resist.

[Conan71]

Intellectual Inbreeding School of Thought....??


Sorry...just couldn't resist.

No, I'm far more superior than that. 

[RecycleMichael]

I tend to surround myself with like thinkers and tend to avoid people with superiority complexes...

You mortals crack me up.

[custosnox]

We are.  What language did YOU think we were talking in??

simply claiming it does not equate believing it. Belief comes from life experiences telling you something is true.  Something in your life had convinced you that it is reality. The example of language comes from you being told your entire life that this is the English language, and you will continue to belief that until information you see as factual comes along to contradict that, at which time you may begin to question it, and eventually, possibly, start to belief otherwise, but not by choice.

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[Conan71]

simply claiming it does not equate believing it. Belief comes from life experiences telling you something is true.  Something in your life had convinced you that it is reality. The example of language comes from you being told your entire life that this is the English language, and you will continue to belief that until information you see as factual comes along to contradict that, at which time you may begin to question it, and eventually, possibly, start to belief otherwise, but not by choice.

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Some people choose to explore out of what they've been fed their entire life, yet others choose not to.  I can choose to listen in to someone who might change long held beliefs of mine, or choose to tune them out. 

It's all semantics, but I'm in a punchy mood this week.

There's still choice and free will involved.

[Townsend]

Some people choose to explore out of what they've been fed their entire life, yet others choose not to.  I can choose to listen in to someone who might change long held beliefs of mine, or choose to tune them out. 

It's all semantics, but I'm in a punchy mood this week.

There's still choice and free will involved.

Sometimes it's just a question of "what makes more sense?"  That's how I came to my present conclusion.

With thousands of years to come up with answers, "That's why they call it faith" doesn't fly for me.

[Conan71]

Sometimes it's just a question of "what makes more sense?"  That's how I came to my present conclusion.

With thousands of years to come up with answers, "That's why they call it faith" doesn't fly for me.

And some people have life-changing events or some other epiphany which can lead them back to their original beliefs with even more conviction...or straight to the looney bin.

[heironymouspasparagus]

simply claiming it does not equate believing it. Belief comes from life experiences telling you something is true.  Something in your life had convinced you that it is reality. The example of language comes from you being told your entire life that this is the English language, and you will continue to belief that until information you see as factual comes along to contradict that, at which time you may begin to question it, and eventually, possibly, start to belief otherwise, but not by choice.

You just came around to make my argument!!  

If you start to believe it, then if not by your choice, it would have to be against your choice and will....but if you accept the new information (may or may not be facts) it would have to mean that you accepted another set of 'facts' that became your new belief of choice....

I prefer to think of the sky as green, grass is blue, and this is indeed French.  Just 'cause everyone else is wrong.....

Isn't pushing a chain just ever so much fun....?

[custosnox]

You just came around to make my argument!! 

If you start to believe it, then if not by your choice, it would have to be against your choice and will....but if you accept the new information (may or may not be facts) it would have to mean that you accepted another set of 'facts' that became your new belief of choice....


Isn't pushing a chain ever so much fun....?

you obviously didn't use critical thinking here.

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[heironymouspasparagus]

you obviously didn't use critical thinking here.

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Extremely critical thinking!  It's part of my belief structure!  (Another side effect of engineering....)