Boston Marathon Bombing

[guido911]

Why Should I Care That No One's Reading Dzhokhar Tsarnaev His Miranda Rights?
When the law gets bent out of shape for him, it's easier to bend out of shape for the rest of us.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/04/dzhokhar_tsarnaev_and_miranda_rights_the_public_safety_exception_and_terrorism.html

Him being unconscious from blood loss was one reason given for not reading Miranda,
but to admit that opens up the can of worms surrounding the boat being shot up in the first place.

Then there is the question of how long they knew he was there after the police chopper spotted his body heat on FLIR.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/20/boston-marathon-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-mirnada-rights
First, the Obama administration has already rolled back Miranda rights for terrorism suspects captured on US soil. It did so two years ago with almost no controversy or even notice, including from many of those who so vocally condemned Graham's Miranda tweets yesterday. In May, 2010, the New York Times' Charlie Savage - under the headline "Holder Backs a Miranda Limit for Terror Suspects" - reported that "the Obama administration said Sunday it would seek a law allowing investigators to interrogate terrorism suspects without informing them of their rights." Instead of going to Congress, the Obama DOJ, in March 2011, simply adopted their own rules that vested themselves with this power, as reported back then by Salon's Justin Elliott ("Obama rolls back Miranda rights"), the Wall Street Journal ("Rights Are Curtailed for Terror Suspects"), the New York Times ("Delayed Miranda Warning Ordered for Terror Suspects"), and myself ("Miranda is Obama's latest victim").

That's  our Patric, more worried about the evil police than the perpetrator that robbed our society of this child:  



At some point, your schtick gets real old. And almost like crying wolf.

[guido911]

It does, and some like-minded confederates also think due process and civil rights can selectively be ignored.
As a free country, we have certainly lost something fragile and precious in this.

This will make you happy Patric, a 26 year old police officer was killed, and another seriously wounded. The cherry on top? They left families behind. Party time at Patric's house!!!

[BKDotCom]

Now you are talking. Maybe an amputation without anesthesia, just like this guy got.

Rated PG-13 version.

Is that Christian Bale?

[Red Arrow]

Him being unconscious from blood loss was one reason given for not reading Miranda,
but to admit that opens up the can of worms surrounding the boat being shot up in the first place.

Being unconscious sounds like a good reason to delay reading Miranda.

I missed it.  Was this "person" shooting at the police from the boat?  If so, I have no problem with the police shooting back.  I also think the boat owner should be compensated without having to make a claim on his insurance.  I would be willing to send a few bucks. 

[patric]

Was this "person" shooting at the police from the boat?  If so, I have no problem with the police shooting back.  I also think the boat owner should be compensated without having to make a claim on his insurance.  I would be willing to send a few bucks.  

$50K ought to do it.
The suspect had no weapons when they arrested him.

That's  our Patric, more worried about the evil police than the perpetrator that robbed our society of this child:  

Im not so much worried about his civil rights as I am yours
when sidestepping them becomes easier with each justification.

[patric]

Talk about unintended consequences. With the current Congress being adamantly against anything and everything Obama, they left the door open for him to arbitrarily change policy. Its no lose for the executive branch. Way to go Teapartiers.

I still think we are playing stupid by calling these crimes terrorism, to placate right wing politicians who hope to be reelected on chest thumping. Unless the intent is to exact increased control of our population through irrational fear, which is what the far right is most afraid of anyway.

Call it what radicals most fear....not sacrifice but pre-meditated murder....and they lose their power to persuade losers to throw away their lives for nothing.

The "terrorism" charge probably fits (more so than the three Occupy Chicago protestors still being held without trial in Cook County) but calling an American citizen arrested on American soil an "Enemy Combatant" is just a reckless application of authority that will only serve to delay justice.

[RecycleMichael]

Im not so much worried about his civil rights as I am yours
when sidestepping them becomes easier with each justification.

I agree. One of the best things about America is the freedom of wrongful prosecution.

[Red Arrow]

$50K ought to do it.

So if 10,000 people sent $5 each, he would be covered.

[guido911]

I hope they water-board the smile outta the surviving piece of trash.....!!!!

And maybe a meeting with Big Bob....  and for patric's benefit, here is someone that talks his language.

http://twitchy.com/2013/04/21/meet-the-next-alex-jones-dzhokar-tsarnaev-supporter-troy-crossley/

[heironymouspasparagus]

I hope they water-board the smile outta the surviving piece of trash.....!!!!

Of course you do...that's what we always expect from you!

[AquaMan]

I just heard an informed, intelligent discussion of why he may not have been mirandized. First off, he had tried to cut his own throat which makes it difficult to respond. Secondly, he was semi conscious which also is a problem and lastly, they have enough evidence accumulated that lack of a Miranda doesn't really hinder prosecution.

Anyway, one has to wonder just how effective water boarding would be on a semi conscious, suicidal, seriously injured patient.

[Red Arrow]

Anyway, one has to wonder just how effective water boarding would be on a semi conscious, suicidal, seriously injured patient SUSPECT.

[guido911]

I'd chance "suspect" to "terrorist". But your point is taken.

[heironymouspasparagus]

This will make you happy Patric, a 26 year old police officer was killed, and another seriously wounded. The cherry on top? They left families behind. Party time at Patric's house!!!

As educated and successful as you are, you can sure come up with some profoundly ignorant s$$$ sometimes.... like now.

You know better than that.  On all counts.

[Conan71]

I just heard an informed, intelligent discussion of why he may not have been mirandized. First off, he had tried to cut his own throat which makes it difficult to respond. Secondly, he was semi conscious which also is a problem and lastly, they have enough evidence accumulated that lack of a Miranda doesn't really hinder prosecution.

Anyway, one has to wonder just how effective water boarding would be on a semi conscious, suicidal, seriously injured patient.

Curious how informed that was considering it has been reported repeatedly it was a gunshot wound to the neck or mouth or is this a new development since this morning?