Efforts to Rename Brady Arts District

[RecycleMichael]

I guess everyone is bad. I need to just shut up and deal with it. I won't.

If I find Brady's behavior bad, who cares? You guys can always find examples of other people having bad in their past. Even Mother Teresa.

I think it is pathetic that you guys don't care. Once again, I ask, "Is there anything bad someone could do that would warrant renaming a public street?"

I guess not.

[AngieB]

This is about the rights of a district that has invested real time and money into their identity and brand. Their identity has nothing to do with Tate Brady. It is a district named for the street which it surrounds. Company names, printed materials, websites...that stuff ain't free.

[rdj]

I guess everyone is bad. I need to just shut up and deal with it. I won't.

If I find Brady's behavior bad, who cares? You guys can always find examples of other people having bad in their past. Even Mother Teresa.

I think it is pathetic that you guys don't care. Once again, I ask, "Is there anything bad someone could do that would warrant renaming a public street?"

I guess not.

This is why anyone who speaks out here will most likely never speak out in a true public (non-innerwebs) forum.  To speak out against the renaming you are immediately labeled as someone who doesn't care about the crimes of the past.

I find it hysterical that a group of upper income Caucasians from south of the tracks are leading the charge to change the name of a street and district in which 99% of the people that live north of the tracks never step foot in the district as a patron and all in the name of making everyone feel better about cleansing our town of the missteps of our founding fathers.  I say that as one of the 1% of the people who live north of the tracks and patronize the Brady District almost daily.

While we're talking about reminders of the race riot, let's talk about the irony of building a baseball park next to the race riot memorial, when it was a baseball park a few blocks away where the "rioters" were interred.  Even more ironic, they wouldn't have had that land if a group of donors hadn't finally agreed to step up (after I was personally told by one of the donors a year prior they had no interest in bailing the state out and funding the memorial) and fund the construction of the memorial to "convince" the Greenwood Chamber to do the land swap that made the ballpark possible.

I'd love to to know how much time and investment the leaders of the name change really have in other activities that truly promote the unification of Tulsa.  The wounds of the past will not be healed until north Tulsa has the same opportunities for prosperity as the rest of Tulsa.

[carltonplace]

Indian street is not. We don't have a Caucasian street, an Asian Street or a Negro Street. It should be changed but Indians seem to be a lot more accomodating than some minorities. Maybe its the casino money that soothes their anger or maybe lack of a city council position.

Wait, I thought the street names west of Main were named after cities west of the Mississippi. Carson = Carson City NV, Quanah, TX, Santa Fe, NM, Guthrie OK  etcetera.

[AngieB]

Wait, I thought the street names west of Main were named after cities west of the Mississippi. Carson = Carson City NV, Quanah, TX, Santa Fe, NM, Guthrie OK  etcetera.

Those are North-South streets. Brady runs East-West. North of 1st street it goes to names in alpha order.

Which brings up another point...IF Brady were to be renamed, it would have to be a B name.

[rdj]

Those are North-South streets. Brady runs East-West. North of 1st street it goes to names in alpha order.

Which brings up another point...IF Brady were to be renamed, it would have to be a B name.

MLK in lieu of Cincinnati doesn't fall in line with the naming convention, so I doubt that will be considered.

[carltonplace]

Those are North-South streets. Brady runs East-West. North of 1st street it goes to names in alpha order.

Which brings up another point...IF Brady were to be renamed, it would have to be a B name.

I was speaking about Indian Ave which is between Houston Ave and Jackson Ave

The Name streets north of 1st Street do maintain alphabetical integrity with the exception of John Hope Franklin Blvd in the western part of the city.

[Gaspar]

We should definitely rename everything named after Thomas Jefferson and burn the bill of rights.  He had lots of slaves at Monticello, and fathered half a dozen children with his underage slaves.  That makes him a racist and pedifile by today's standards.

Though George Washington claimed to be against slavery, he kept slaves until his death.  Actually, Martha did not free them until 12 years after his passing. We've got to tear down all of those monuments and rename lots of streets, cities, and even a state!

Thomas Edison liked to kill animals with electricity.  Lots of dogs, cats, cows, even an elephant.  He actually filmed the elephant.

It's not just people though.  "Oklahoma" literally translated from the Choctaw, means "Red People."  How racist is that?  I say we change it to whatever the Choctaw is for "funky frying pan."

Winston Churchill was a big racist in favor of genocide.
"I do not admit... that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia... by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race... has come in and taken its place." -Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937"I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes" – Writing as president of the Air Council.

Martin Luther was an antisemite too.
- "First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. ..."
- "Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. ..."
- "Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. ..."
- "Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. ..."
- "Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. ..."
- "Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them. ... Such money should now be used in ... the following [way]... Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed [a certain amount]..."
- "Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow... For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants."

MLK cheated on his wife.

Gandhi slept with his grand-niece.

Pavlov experimented on homeless children.


When we regard historical figures, it is important to realize that they are just people.  We can choose to focus on the positive or dwell on the negative aspects of their character. If we choose the latter, we become consumed with being critics, always willing to throw the first stone, and focus on the sins of the past instead of the lessons. We can change the name of Brady, but it punishes only those who have investment in that name. We cannot change history, and that is what we are actually trying to do.  This is no more than an exercise in trying to FEEL morally superior, but I guess it makes an interesting news story.

[AquaMan]

Wait, I thought the street names west of Main were named after cities west of the Mississippi. Carson = Carson City NV, Quanah, TX, Santa Fe, NM, Guthrie OK  etcetera.

Maybe its short for Indian Territory?

I had never even thought twice about it till RM's remarks. Now it seems pretty strange.

[davideinstein]

Dividing people rarely brings them together. MLK Boulevard up to the tracks, then Cincinnati south of the tracks doesn't bring people together.

Quote of the year.

[RecycleMichael]

...IF Brady were to be renamed, it would have to be a B name.

Drop the Y.
Brad street named after Brad Pitt.

Change the Y to a EN.
Braden Street named after O.E. Braden ( founder of OneOk).

[AngieB]

Drop the Y.
Brad street named after Brad Pitt.

Change the Y to a EN.
Braden Street named after O.E. Braden ( founder of OneOk).

We already have a Braden.

[RecycleMichael]

This is why anyone who speaks out here will most likely never speak out in a true public (non-innerwebs) forum.  To speak out against the renaming you are immediately labeled as someone who doesn't care about the crimes of the past.

It is like eight against one on this conversation and I am the problem?

I am trying to express my opinion and ask a simple question and now I am the problem with all public forums?

Wow. I had no idea I was so powerful. BTW, I never said that people don't care about crimes of the past. I said they don't care about the crimes that Tate Brady is accused of. I stand by that statement.

[RecycleMichael]

We already have a Braden.

We should change it. He probably sinned somewhere.

[BKDotCom]

How about Borden Street?

Brady theater might get jealous that the street's now named for the milk man next door.